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rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:06 am | |
| Can't imagine it went to Isandhlwana, but otherwise a plausible story. Brickhill left Gamble to his fate. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Steve |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Sgt Gamble's Cello Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:06 pm | |
| Hi Steve It went for a very high price , way more than I expected it to go for ! 90th |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:22 pm | |
| Hi Gary Sounds like it was bought for its musical qualities more than its provenance. Don't know much about Cellos and their prices. I wonder if the hard bitten men of the 24th enjoyed it! Steve |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 55 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:17 pm | |
| Lucky really when you consider the Zulu were stabbing tins of bully beef. The Cello is a much bigger target. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3966 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:14 pm | |
| I read with dismay the article of the ’cello belonging to the “Welsh soldier” killed at Isandhlwana – Band Sergt. David Gamble. First, the soldier in the photograph holding the double bass could not possibly have been Gamble. Look at his arm – he has no sergeant’s stripes. Secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Gamble was a Welsh soldier. In fact the 1st battalion had not recruited particularly in Wales but it had from among the industrial poor of Birmingham and the Black Country. The likelihood is that he was English although, of course, he could equally have come from Ireland, Scotland or Wales. In fact, the regiment when he enlisted was the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment; it only became the South Wales Borderers in 1881 two years after his death. Lastly, no provenance whatsoever was given in the article. On what basis is this miraculously-appearing ’cello presumed to have ‘survived’ the battle, been retrieved from a remote spot in the then enemy’s country of Zululand, returned to Britain, and remained hidden for 137 years? If it’s true, it would be a remarkable story indeed: one worthy of a national headline! But a reader has no way to judge from the article.
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| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:30 pm | |
| Coming up next "Captain Corelli's Mandolin".
Steve |
| | | Tim Needham
Posts : 303 Join date : 2011-10-18 Location : Cornwall
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:27 am | |
| Here is a little genealogical information on David Gamble, according to the first link he was born in Dublin; [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3966 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:10 pm | |
| Tim Well done! Thanks, this has been of real use to me. Julian |
| | | Tim Needham
Posts : 303 Join date : 2011-10-18 Location : Cornwall
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:54 pm | |
| David's widow Martha (who re-married) died in 1928 and is buried in Tunbridge Wells cemetery; their son David Bertram Gamble died in 1951 aged 73 and was also interred here.
Regards,
Tim |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 794 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:23 am | |
| Hi
I wonder if Corporal William Gamble R E was David's brother, he being a member of Chards section at the Ponts, sent back to Isandlwana to their fate. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3966 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:57 am | |
| That's a very long shot Eddie! |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Sgt Gamble's Cello Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:29 pm | |
| Julian Tend to agree , haven't come across anything suggesting the two Gamble's were Brothers , well , not yet anyway ! 90th |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 794 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:59 pm | |
| Hi 90th
It's an unusual name, you never know. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Sgt Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:53 am | |
| Eddie It's possible , but you'd expect someone on here would've read over the years they were related ? , I had a very quick look in Forsythe's Medal Roll , and I mean a very quick look , found a J Gamble on HMS Bodicea !. That was without checking all the Imperial or Colonial Regts themselves . 90th |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3241 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:49 am | |
| Gary,
To save you the trouble of looking. In addition to the two iSandlwana casualties and as well as Ordinary Seaman J. Gamble, H.M.S. Boadicea.
There were also the following: Pte. J. Gamble 58th (Rutlandshire) Regiment. Pte. M. Gamble 94th Regiment. L/Cpl. N. Gamble 1st (King’s) Dragoon Guards. Pte. W. Gamble, 3rd Battalion, 60th (King’s Royal Rifle Corps) Regiment.
JY
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3966 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:54 am | |
| So, related? A bit of a Gamble then, Eddie. |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 794 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:45 pm | |
| Hi John/Julian Yes I have since researched the name and found it not so unusual after all. Seems to be many a Gamble from Irish decent. Cheers Eddie |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3241 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:06 pm | |
| Eddie,
It might be prudent of you to invest in a copy of Victoria’s Harvest - The Irish Soldier in the Zulu War of 1879, if you wish to discover more about the Irish involvement in the campaign.
JY
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| | | Eddie
Posts : 794 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:24 pm | |
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3966 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:39 pm | |
| Eddie, The question was certainly worth asking. |
| | | Eddie
Posts : 794 Join date : 2022-07-13 Age : 65 Location : Newport Wales
| Subject: Re: Sgt. Gamble's Cello Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:59 pm | |
| Thank you Julian
I did find on Geni the decendents of David & Martha Gamble, noticing you had visited it also in 2016. His children being: David Minors Gamble Margaret Ethel Gamble Stepson: Ernest Benjamin Minors Woollan.
Cheers Eddie |
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