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PostSubject: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:15 pm

Ladies/Gents,

Thought it might be of interest to someone to learn there is a LSGC to 1435 Sergeant Instructor of Musketry William Dinham Wiltshire  2nd - 24th Foot currently listed on Ebay 192685330032. (I hasten to add I'm not the seller and no idea who they maybe No Salute ). I mention it merely in passing.

Unfortunately he appears to have left the army in 1877 so wasn't present at either of the famous 24th of foot battles.

However I strongly suspect he would have trained all those involved in the use of their rifles?

I would further add that it's not cheap Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24TH    Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:13 am

Hi Vic Dad .
I couldn't find it ? .
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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:16 am

Just shared you the link on Facebook thing......
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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:21 am

Born 1838 joined 1858, discharged 1877, LSGC only entitlement.

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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:02 am

rusteze wrote:
Born 1838 joined 1858, discharged 1877, LSGC only entitlement.

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Thanks Steve, am I missing something You need to study mo ?

£350 starting bid seems a little crazy, I assume it's just because he was in the 24th?
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PostSubject: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24TH    Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:34 pm

Thanks Simon.
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PostSubject: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24TH    Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:40 pm

Hi Vict Dad
Yes it's certainly over priced , there are a few differing types , but this should be priced between 100 - 150 GBP's , him being in the 24th shouldn't make it as expensive as it is , after all , he didn't take part in the Zulu war .
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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:17 pm

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Hi Vict Dad
Yes it's certainly over priced , there are a few differing types , but this should be priced between 100 - 150 GBP's , him being in the 24th shouldn't make it as expensive as it is , after all ,  he didn't take part in the Zulu war .
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Salute thanks 90th. I thought that might be the case. Will be interesting to see if anyone bids on it No .
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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:35 pm

No, your not missing anything. Nothing of significance in his papers. Intended to live in Cardiff so no doubt he was at Brecon for a while. His brother went to Australia. Price is purely because of 24th.

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PostSubject: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24TH    Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Hi Vic Dad
Someone may bid , people do collect many different types of Medals etc , we are aware it's overpriced, but .. others may think not !
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Thanks for your contribution .
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PostSubject: Re: LSGC to a SNCO 2/24th   Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:22 am

It is quite easy to think of the award of the LS&GC in modern terms.  When it is relatively common and with the qualifying period of 15 years.  In 1830 the qualifying period for infantry was 21 years which was reduced to 18 in 1854. In the early days it was certain that most soldiers would attract a Court Martial and Regimental entries on their records making them illegible for the award. So with raising of the 2nd Battalion 24th in 1858, there were about 1,800 to 2,000 men serving in the 24th and the number of LS&GC awards was about 3-4 per year for the regiment  in the latter half of the 19th century.  It was a pretty rare award.  Also we tend to think of the Victorian period where the British Army was tending to fight small wars around the world to protect the empire.  However, the 1/24th saw no campaign medal earning action from 1854 to 1877 and again a gap from 1879 to 1914; 2/24th faired slightly better with no active service from 1858 to 1878, 1879 to 1886, 1889 to 1900 and 1902-1914.  So it was very common, for the Victorian soldier to complete his service without the award of any type of medal.  Today you will see modern day army veterans wearing at least 8-10 medals. Wiltshire’s award is pretty rare hence the price.
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