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I know this image is very well-known, but I have been chasing a copy of it for decades.

I believe it was taken in Secunderabad, India circa 1871, as Captain Henry Pulleine is in the photograph prior exchanging to the 1st Battalion.

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Hi JY,

Absolutely superb quality photo, especially for the time.  
Probably produced on a glass negative.
Now, if I can find one like that of the Officers of the 14th KRH in Hyderbad, a little earlier, including Dartnell and Giles, I will be very pleased. 

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The facial hair present would give some of the American Civil War commanders a run for their money......
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Hi JY

After all these decades, and many hours, trying to identifying these officers, can you now name them all yet?

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Bonjour ,
About the date of the photograph, it seems to me there is an another clue
Third rank: The third officer on the left (near Banister) echanged Regiment with Frederick Godwin-Austen.
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Frederic,

Given the date and the location I believe that you are mistaken. The officer to whom you refer, Charles Gordon Creyk, would have been about 15 years of age when the above photograph was taken. He did not joined the 2nd/24th until 1875.

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Front row, sitting: Left to right - Lieut Pope, Captain Logan, Lieut Penn-Symons, not known

Second row sitting: not known, Lieut Bromhead (hero of Rorke's Drift), Lieut Colonel Ross, Lieut Harvey, Captain Church, not known, Lieut Williams.

Third Row, standing: Major C de Epinay Barclay, Captain Chamberlin, Lieuts Banks, Banister, Dempster (Adjt), Sugden, not known.

Others in the group are; Major Crawford, Captains Sawbridge, Lee, Airey and Hallowes: Lieuts Rainforth, Younghusband, Holt, Bennett, Hawkins, Hoskyns and Chauncey.

The identities of these officers have been established by Lieut Colonel F. Bourne, O.B.E. and Mr J Gittins

from 'The Sphere' 14th July 1934
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Morning Lee,

I have a rather old photocopy of The Sphere page.

There is a glaring error in the identifications, Henry Pulleine is mistakenly identified as Gonville Bromhead.

David Jackson has identified those still serving in 1879 on page 70 of Hill of the Sphinx.

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John Young wrote:
Frederic,

Given the date and the location I believe that you are mistaken.  The officer to whom you refer, Charles Gordon Creyk, would have been about 15 years of age when the above photograph was taken.  He did not joined the 2nd/24th until 1875.

JY

Bonjour John,
Right about the name of the Officer (Creyk).
There are comments on this subject (Creyk/ Godwin-Austen) on the website "Soldiers of the Queen" (photographs).
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If the photograph was really taken in 1871, I am wrong about the identification of the officer near Banister that I presumed to be Creyk.
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Fred,

If you have any doubts regarding the date can I suggest a look at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

If you compare the officers who appear in both photographs you will see that there is very little difference in their looks.

You will also notice that in the above group photograph that the forage cap numerals are large, and not surmounted by the Sphinx, and therefore pre-dates the introduction of the 1874 Dress Regulations.. By the time Creyk had joined the 24th Regiment those Dress Reg’s would have introduced.

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Bonjour John,
I haven't doubt about your analysis.
I only wanted to mention that I was wrong about the identification of Creyk.
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