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Kris Herrons new book is now available and from the teasers she has sent me it sounds rather exciting.
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None of it would have been possible if not for David Jackson and Julian Whybra. I have thanked them, for what the did, and I hope that David will be interested in learning that he found some dislodged pagers from the Isandlwana Papers. I am not one for pushing my barrow, but very pleased as a family member to be able to follow on from where Edward left off. He was to write another book in 1886 and it is unknown whether he had full knowledge of the file content. The Papers were placed in a drawer in 1930 Not to be seen by the public. I am a family history researcher, so this is best described that through a series of mistakes, family history and military history colliding, revealing a Military Mystery..
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Pre-ordered since March, from Amazon. No sure if they have had their deliveries yet. Soon I hope.
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Bill, different publisher, different format, due to previous one citing financial issues. These will be an ebook on Amazon, currently going through the process, or from the link which Frank posted.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyFri Aug 23, 2019 10:57 am

Excellent Kris, it seems a long time ago when you first mentioned this to me. I too have had it on order from Amazon, but based on what you say I have now cancelled and will await developments on the print on demand front. Will we now be getting two volumes? I have a sense that AWD will be vindicated at long last.

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Two seperate titles.
1) iSandlwana to Chatham
2) Chatham to iSandlwana

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I too have ordered the books through Amazon - they cite delivery between 29 and 31 August and appear to be by the 'new publishers'. These are paperbacks not e-books.
Krish - do I have any cause to be alarmed and cancel?
I should find out next week anyway!
And THANKS for the acknowledgement.
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Somewhat confusingly Amazon are now iisting three volumes. The original publisher, From Musket to Maxim (the order I cancelled) and now the two xlibris volumes, which I have now ordered instead. Doesn't help that all covers are virtually the same.

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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyFri Aug 23, 2019 10:37 pm

Well Steve I was never aware that it was put up in January as a prepurchase, in the first place. I got told by someone in Scotland. My cover has been in place for 4 years, thanks to Simon Smith! I guess the wheels of removal of the first one take time.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptySat Aug 24, 2019 8:37 am

Kris - is this now being done via Helion Books then - they are only showing one Volume due to be published - Chatham to iSandlwana - and is a paperback format - can you just let us know what the actual score is as the xlibris thing seems to be American based - I prefer hardbacks to paperbacks - is there a UK stockist / distributor of both volumes in that format? Atb - Tim
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Amazon are showing both volumes in paperback.
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I have ordered the hardbacks from xlibris
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None of it would have been possible if not for David Jackson and Julian Whybra.  I have thanked them, for what the did, and I hope that David will be interested in learning that he found some dislodged pagers from the Isandlwana Papers.   I am not one for pushing my barrow, but very pleased as a family member to be able to follow on from where Edward left off.  He was to write another book in 1886 and it is unknown whether he had full knowledge of the file content.  The Papers were placed in a drawer in 1930 Not to be seen by the public.  I am a family history researcher, so this is best described that through a series of mistakes, family history and military history colliding, revealing a Military Mystery..  

So if one has Jackson's book and JW essays. Is it worth buying this book, is there anything new?
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptySat Aug 24, 2019 9:55 pm

Just cancelled the Maxim to Musket version as I was getting an expected date of 2 or 3 months from now. Re-ordered the paperback version (at a cheaper price?!) from Amazon. Not now showing the Maxim version. Bit confused but will see next week if it arrives.

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There is totally new material, David found some dislodged papers from an Evidence file. The author is sent the first print, and then other orders get distributed. If I had not been urged by a Military professor to get the material published, for its historic value I would have just given up.
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Hi

There used to be a chap on another forum, I think he was from Scotland, who will be beside himself if AWD is vindicated.....almost every post from him was about Durnford, it got a bit vexing in the end so I left the forum.

I'm a bit confused about the different versions though....

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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptySun Aug 25, 2019 10:35 am

It's all good! Why is it that these places try and keep their information to themselves when it is all publicly funded? Brecon did much the same for years with the Pen Symons papers. It gets my goat! Are they so detached from the interests of the community that they do not realise what they have, or is someone just being bloody minded. At the end of the day it doesn't belong to them but to the tax payers who funded it all in the first place. There, that's me on a sunny Sunday morning!

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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptySun Aug 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Steve, they had no idea of what they held, and much was incorrectly attributed. I think that is the case in many museums. I had some great help from unusual places, including the House of Lords Library, who bent over backwards for me. On the other hand being a female from the Colonies became a real hurdle with others. Sunny here today as well.
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Hi Kris
I think you've hit the nail on the head , many museums etc , seems more so in SA ....are completely unaware of what they have in their collections , due to poor , or a complete lack of filing ability ! . Cam Simpson and others will be well aware of this problem !
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Mine arrived on Sunday. My wife has confiscated them till the 20th (my birthday). Curses!
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Mine are scheduled for two weeks, or next year....................... No
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90th wrote:
Hi Kris
I think you've hit the nail on the head , many museums etc , seems more so in SA ....are completely unaware of what they have in their collections , due to poor , or a complete lack of filing ability ! . Cam Simpson and others will be well aware of this problem !
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Yes, and try researching at the Royal Archives, I felt like a school child. I didn't know that at the same time Julia Baird was also researching and she got the same treatment.

I have stuff from the SA archives, and have to thank Frank for getting some Dutch transcribed for me, via his son-in-law's father, who was a captain on the high seas, and of course yourself for trying to work out some of the new information which again I found by mistake. Putting it onto a web blog, so you will be able to read the 126 reasons. Kris

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Hi Kris
I've no idea how to search the Archives , and after reading how some get on I've no reason to start ! . Cheers .
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Cmon Gary give it a go! Some great books on cricket there. Joker
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It's funny isn't it comparing experiences. When I was at the RA I found the staff really obliging and helpful, though of course you have to agree to and abide by the rules.
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I do a fare amount of e mail correspondence with the RA, they are superb and go a long way in stretching rules to accomadate.
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This book looks really interesting - hopefully it may reignite my Zulu war interest when i get it Very Happy

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Books have arrived. Congratulations on quality and presentation. No time yet to read very much but they are substantial and full of information. We should be very grateful for Kris sharing what is obviously a huge amount of research. A couple of questions already forming but I will wait until I have absorbed more and others can catch up.

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Wonders of wonders and DHL. Mine have just arrived. Moral of the story dont use the post Office. Now for some interesting reading. You need to study mo You need to study mo
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Hi

I look forward to reading the posts about this book.

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Hi Sime
Im busy going through it, masses and masses of info to digest before commenting but certainly of great interest.
Of interest for CTSG of course will be the original note written in blood thats says "It were Chelmy what done it."
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That would be Colenso's blood. Very Happy
But you know that already Frank. However failing that Edwards.
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This isnt a book for you mate. Suspect
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I'll make you right on that Frank.!
I don't do books based on fiction anymore.Historians trying to make a name for themselves, using others work, and filling in gaps with woe's of fantasy.
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Wasnt really talking about the story line as being unsuitable for you mate, just the lack of pictures for you to look at. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Joker
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Mate I see enough of your pictures to last me a lifetime. Remember the old saying! Pictures speak louder than words. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Salute Salute agree
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Can someone tell me whether the errors to be corrected in the books are simply typos, grammar, misspellings, punctuation, and the like or are they factual or info left out? In other words is it worth sending them back to be replaced or not?
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The books are not even printed yet, there was a mistake made and some were printed from a wrong file. Totally out of my control, but when printed anyone who has received one will get a another. They are to be released to coincide with 140 years of burial, which is 12th October
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Kris
With respect that does not answer my question.  Are the errors minor such that they do not disturb the flow and logic of the text or are they major such that they do?
In short, are they worth the time and effort sending back for replacement or not?
If you prefer, pm or e-mail me direct.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyWed Sep 18, 2019 2:12 pm

Crikey that explains an awful lot Kris - I have both volumes which set me back in hardback over 60 GBP - and the Volume "From Chatham to iSandlwana" is virtually unreadable with so many errors as to make it hard to follow - is Xlibris going to tell the sellers that they will be sending out a replacement ( how does that all work please????) or given they are being put out by all manner of 3rd parties do we have to return the wrong prints to Xlibris for them to send out - some guidance would be helpful - atb Tim
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No from what I gather only a handful.
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Kris - Can you clarify please - is the first Volume illustrated at all for an example - the second has some illustrations but my copy of the first doesn't have any - there are a number of what reads like asides, notes etc that dont logically reference to the text - and how do we go about getting a proper revised copy please. The publisher has given you this assurance but how do we actually get that done - I have copied all this to Amazon - as they were the sellers and await their reply as well.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 11:43 am

timothylrose
Please copy us all in to amazon's reply!!
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 1:28 pm

How ironic! A book about Durnford full of errors. Error seems to have followed him to Isandlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 2:53 pm

My thoughts as well but at least these should be able to be corrected before a major disaster occurs! It's a shame the Xlibris have obviously gone ahead and printed without approval / permission or in error - there are a number of us who have out cash out in good faith on it.
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 2:56 pm

CTSG
You do bring a smile/grimace to the face. Very Happy Salute
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PostSubject: Re: New Book on AW Durnford   New Book on AW Durnford EmptyThu Sep 19, 2019 3:06 pm

Xlibris's advice was that if the books were bought through Amazon then they should be returned using amazon's returns & reimbursement procedure. Re-ordering after 14th Oct can then be done.
I've now done this at no cost with the books returned via MyHermes.
This is indeed allo very much a pity. I hope that the books will be worth the wait till Oct.
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