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PostSubject: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:56 pm

I was told this was a Zulu War Gatling Gun. Can anyone confirm.

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PostSubject: gatling gun   Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:43 am

hi oldh2.
Sure is , this photo is in " THE NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM BOOK OF THE ZULU WAR "
by I. KNIGHT, The caption says........ MAJOR J.F. OWEN OF 10 BATTERY , 7TH BRIGADE, R.A.
with one of the two gatling guns he commanded at the battle of Ulundi.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:18 pm

Hi all

For a photo of Major Owen's grave, please see Pictorial catalogue of AZW graves Section
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:31 pm

You are one amazing guy. How do you find these Graves so quickly? Do me a favour see if you can find mine? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:34 pm

Mr Greaves. I have often wondered how he finds them so quickly. But I just glad 1879Graves is on this forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:02 pm

Doe's anyone have a photo of the workings of the Gatling gun. A dissected photo would be excellent, even better with the names of the various parts. 3D Image would make my day. Look forward to your replies.

Identfication markings if possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:09 pm

Hi John. Just to get you started. I will have a look for some more.

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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:15 pm


This link may be useful:-

http://science.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun4.htm


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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:19 pm

Thanks Littlehand. Was this the type used during the Zulu War? I should have said. And I forgot to ask. "Did the Gatling use the same ammunition as the Martini Henry?

Thanks JohnB. I will take a look when I log off.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:34 pm

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PostSubject: gatling gun   Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:09 am

hi John.
The Gatling fired .450 boxer cartridge the same calibre as the M.H.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:53 pm

90th
Not exactly. The Gatling did fire a .450 calibre boxer cartridge, but was a smaller diameter case, this was to facilitate easier feed from the hopper, inlike the Mk3 Martini round which was .450 bottle necked to .577, the gatling was closer to .510, the more parrallel sides meant the gravity feed did not feed the round end first due to the overbalance.

I will sort out the detailed drawing of it.

In 1885, when the small arms committee were meeting to discuss the future cartidge for the Martini Henry in .402" calibre it was muted that the rifle was to be bushed to accomodate the Gatling round.

In fact the .402" experiment was a non starter as the ordnace department did not want yet another differing cartrige to go with the .540/577 Martini Mk3 round and the .450 Boxer gatling., and, the proposals being muted for ther .303 Metford system.

Asa result all .402 Enfield Martini Mk1's pattern A and B (apporx 56,000) that had been made were re-bored to .450, and became the Martini Henry Mk4 pattern A & B.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:50 pm

Did the Gatling gun really surpass military expectations? Was it easy to maintain, when it jammed was it easy to fix, if one barrel fowled up, would it still work.

And there’s one question I need top ask. When firing a Gatling gun the user needs to rotate the handles. Could they be turned faster to increase the rate of fire and slower to de-crease, or did they have to be rotated at the same consistency.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:26 pm

24th

I hope this link is found helpful. It does answer the question about being able to fire it one barrel jams. The lock for the barrell that is jammed is removed and firing is continued with the remaining 9 barrels.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=pQgHAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:02 pm

Thanks for all your help. But don't forget if you come across any blue prints of the Gatling Gun please let me know. It will be much appricated.
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:36 pm

In the comfort of my home, I now have the size comparison M-H to gatling
L=MH 3.15 " G=3.30
neck dia = MH .50" g= .492"
Base dia MH .64" G= .57"
Shoulder MH .62" G=.53"
Case size empty MH 2.31" G=2.35"

bullet was and charge the same.

The HMSO 1877 publication " Treatise on ammuntion" states "though this cartridge is the same calibre as the M-H, the cartirdges are not interchangeable,the dimoesions are different, the MH ammuntion was found not to answer the Gatling gun"
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PostSubject: gatling gun   Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:09 am

hi Neil.
Thanks for clearing up the MH cartridge info in regard to the Gatling Gun , myself and the other forum members
are pleased you are able to answer these very technical questions . Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:55 pm

Echo that 90th.
I think Neil should publish a Book on the weapons used during the Zulu War. (I would be your first Customer) Idea
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PostSubject: gatling gun.   Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:49 am

hi littlehand .
I would be 2nd . :lol!: .
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PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun in the zulu war:   Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:49 am

Chaps,
thank you, I'll make sure you get a signed copy! ha ha, actualy Mike Snook keeps pressuring me to in ihs words "get scribbling" and I must make a start. I have been assisting him on the weapons used in the Sudan for his new publication due out shortly.
This a study of a couple of Rifles in my collection, a comparison of an 1873 Mk2 and and 1879 Mk3. (Which you can see if you visit the ZululFilm Exhibiton in London).
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