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PostSubject: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:38 pm

Lieutenant Anstey was killed at isandhlwana. Does anybody know what become of his medal.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:52 pm

Hi EOA

and welcome to the forum.

I do not know what happened to his medal, I am guessing that his brother (Captain Thomas Anstey) or this father may have claimed it?
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:55 pm

EOA. Welcome to the forum. Can I ask what your interest is in Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:01 pm

Hi Littlehand

I would say the EOA could well be a relative, From the Avatar and by the Name EOA, just guessing :lol!:
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PostSubject: Lt Anstey   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:20 pm

Sorry 1879graves,
I am not a relaive.My interest started some years ago when I otained the large original framed photo of Lt Anstry from an house clearance in London.
Captan Thomas Anstrys medal came up at auction about the same time. but not his brothers.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:26 pm

That photo is absolutely brilliant - is there any chance of us getting a better look at it - could you post it a bigger version for us to see?

Many thanks,

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PostSubject: Photo Copyright Cliff Walker   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:38 pm

Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:42 pm

EOA. It that a genuine photo or print. I have never seen this portrait before.

EOA Click Here anstey - Lieutenant Edgar Anstey
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:56 pm

Very Nice. Looks real to me. EOA is there a family connection.
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PostSubject: Lt Anstey   Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:20 am

Thank you for all your kind comments about the photo. The photo ,frame and glass are 100% original. It was done by Elliot and Fry Artist. St Portman Sq, London and left to a Dorothy on Nov 10 1911

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PostSubject: Edgar .O. Anstey   Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:08 am

hi all.
Great picture EOH. Amazing what can sometimes be found in house clearances , as for ANSTEY"S medal
I have no idea who may own it or where it may be. Wish I had it :lol!: .
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:26 pm

Thank you for sharing this wonderful photo, It's a pleasure to see.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:50 pm

Hi EAO

Great photo and a great find.

I came across this

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Evening Post, Rōrahi XIX, Putanga 147, 26 Pipiri 1880, Page 4
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:23 pm

EOA. Do you intend to keep it, or are you thinking of selling.

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:25 pm

Hi,

Sorry to interrupt in this thread. But I´m interested in Thomas Henry Anstey. Got any pictures or information about him?

I have a big silver goblet with following text

"Browndown rifle meeting
Highest possible
200 yards
1887
T.H Anstey Major RE"

Any information is valuble to me.

BR Daniel Sweden
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:11 pm

Dave wrote:
Hi agrendan. Welcome to the forum. Click on link below.

http://www.1879zuluwar.com/pictorial-catalogue-of-azw-graves-f18/lieutenant-edgar-anstey-t636.htm?highlight=anstey

Thank you Dave, but I am looking for Lt Edgars brother, Col Thomas Henry Anstey.

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:28 am

Hi agrendan

Captain Thomas Henry Anstey

He served with Newdigate's division in the advance from Koppie Allein, and was present at the Battle of Ulundi. Subsequently made a triangulation survey of the route taken by the division from Landman's Drift to Entonjaneni. On his return to Maritzburg he was ordered to survey in detail the Battle-Field of Isandhlwana and the ground adjacent thereto.

Date of Birth:- 23rd September 1841
First Appointment :- Lieutenant Royal Engineers 25th June 1862
Captain Royal Engineers 12th August 1875
Major Royal Engineers 25th June 1882
South African War:- 1879 - Zulu Campaign - Battle of Ulundi. Medal with Clasp.
Source '1884 Army List' (p 298, 783 & 1208)

Lieutenant Colonel - 11th June 1889
Army Rank: Colonel 6th January 1894
War Service - South Africa 1879. Retired 1896.

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Naomi Veronica Anstey, daughter of Thomas Henry Anstey
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:05 am

Thank you very very much. This is great information for me.

The history about T.H Anstey makes my goblet more complete. Now I just need to continue the research about "Browndonw rifle meeting"

Any one curious about the goblet you can see it here

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9320/bgare.jpg

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:55 am

agrendan
The resident fundi on armaments is Neil, I would suggest he could be a source of info for you on the rifle meet.
Send him a message, hes quite a font of knowledge.
regards
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:22 am

Thank you very much. I will try that.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:12 pm

Hi agrendan

Here is a photograph of Thomas Henry Anstey, by kind permission of John Young

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:27 pm

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Hi agrendan

Here is a photograph of Thomas Henry Anstey, by kind permission of John Young

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Most most most kind of him. Thank you very much.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:33 pm

Hi All
I have come across this, it may help

BROWNDOWN RIFLE MEETING.
HC Deb 15 June 1893 vol 13 c1050 1050

ADMIRAL FIELD (Sussex, Eastbourne)

I beg to ask the Secretary of State for War whether it is true, as reported, that the War Office authorities have refused to allow service ammunition to be issued free for the usual annual naval and military prize competition at Browndown, held under the patronage of the Naval Commander-in-Chief and the General commanding the Southern District; whether it is a fact that for many years past ammunition has always been granted as an encouragement to both Services to acquire proficiency in the art of shooting at these annual prize meetings; and whether, seeing that the officers mainly provide the prizes, he will direct that the necessary ammunition be supplied in the interest of the Public Service?

THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WAR (Mr. CAMPBELL-BANNERMAN,) Stirling, &c.

I am informed that ammunition was refused for the Browndown Rifle Meeting this year because a large excess of ammunition issued for this purpose in previous years was struck off at the request of the General Officer commanding the district, on the ground that these meetings would not be held in future, the organisation under which they had been held having been broken up, and there being no person left in the district who could be held responsible. Of course, I can only speak with regard to the Army.
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PostSubject: Lt Edgar Anstey   Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:00 am

hi all .
Not sure if this has been mentioned , Edgar Oliphant Anstey was born in Adelaide South Australia ,
Do we know where his brother Thomas Henry was born ?.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:06 pm

Copyright added to photo. As requested..

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:33 pm

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ANSTEY HILL By Kevin Gallasch

Anstey Hill is located some 18 kilometres north-east of Adelaide on the western edge of the south Mount Lofty Ranges near the southern boundary of the Anstey Hill Recreation Park—the Lower North East Road. It commands magnificent views across the Adelaide Plains to the city of Adelaide and the head of Gulf St Vincent. It stands at a height of 371.1 metres above sea level, some 50 metres below a nearby un-named peak. Why was this lower peak chosen to be named as a significant topographical feature called Anstey? George Anstey (1841-1895) was an early South Australian pastoral and horticultural pioneer. He was born in London. His parents emigrated to Tasmania in 1823. George, after helping on his father’s property, married at 24 years of age and left the island to establish himself on the mainland. He arrived in the recently founded colony with some sheep early in 1838. By the end of 1841 he was one of South Australia’s leading pastoralists. In 1840 he purchased two sections of land and began to establish his Highercombe Estate which he named after his father’s birthplace in Somerset, England. This name remains in district use today in the titles of the Highercombe Golf Club and the Old Highercombe Hotel Folk Museum. Anstey’s property was in the vicinity of the Golf Club which is located just over the crest of the range east of Anstey Hill Recreation Park. Highercombe Estate, with its vineyards, orchards and extensive botanical gardens became a horticultural show-piece. Between 1842 and 1846 Anstey constructed what was initially a private road from Grand Junction Road to his newly established estate. This road, in reality little more than a bullock wagon and horse dray track, became known as “Anstey Hill Road”, that is the road up the hill leading to “Anstey’s “ place. It was used for 20 years, but was never gravelled. It crossed the crest of the then called Tea Tree Range in a saddle just north of Anstey Hill. It was later extended to Houghton and became a rival to the route up Tea Tree Gully, creating much controversy. In 1873 a new road passing across the south-eastern slopes of the hill was built and eventually named Lower North East Road. Its gravel surface was bituminised in 1930.
Most of the original earth and stone works of the original “Anstey’s Hill Road” are still clearly visible on the hill sides. There is little doubt that the naming of the hill can be attributed to the linking of the name of a prominent early settler with the prominent topographical feature alongside of the “road: leading to his property. “Squire” Anstey was never a popular public figure, probably because of his tendency to behave as a typical English squire or country gentleman. When his father died in 1851 he returned to Tasmania with his family. They returned to England in 1854. Except for brief visits, the last in 1868, Anstey never returned to live in South Australia.

However the name Anstey was to appear once more in the annals of South Australian history. Mortlock Library military records contain an entry that in the 22nd January 1879, a Lieutenant Edgar Oliphant Anstey was killed in action in Isandlwana, South Africa and than in doing so became the first South Australian born soldier to die in battle. Further searches of other records revealed that he was the third son of George Alexander and had been born at Highercombe on 18th March 1851. He was serving with the 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment of Foot in the Bristish Army in its greatest colonial defeat when 25,000 Zulu warriors slaughtered 1,357 of Queen Victoria’s men, mainly from the 24th Regiment and the Natal Native Contingent. The trail down which this heroic force fought its withdrawal is now called Fugitives Trail. It’s a long way from “Anstey’s Hill Road” which he travelled down as a babe in arms in the first and only year of his life in South Australia.

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:53 am

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Hi EOA
....I do not know what happened to his medal, I am guessing that his brother (Captain Thomas Anstey) or this father may have claimed it?

Yes, you're right. I've recently been in touch with the Anstey family - descendants of Edgar's brother Capt (later Col) Thomas Henry - on another historical matter, and they tell me they have Edgar's medal. They are planning to donate it, and a miniature portrait of him, to the South Wales Borderers Museum in Brecon.

Oh, and yes, 90th - Thomas Henry Anstey was also born in Adelaide.
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PostSubject: Anstey Family   Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:21 am

Hi osmposm.
Thanks for the reply .
cheers 90th. Idea
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PostSubject: Lt Edgar Oliphant Anstey of the 24th   Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:48 pm

I see that the medal to TH Anstey sold on auction in 2005 for 850 Pounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:33 pm

Here another photo of Anstey taken in South Africa from my collection. Ron Sheeley

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:50 pm

Isandula. That's the best photo I have ever seen of Anstey. Thanks for posting link..
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:37 pm

is it possible to get a higher resolution copy of that photo?
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:26 pm

It's the best I can do. Someone maybe able to do better.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:17 am

swainey wrote:
I see that the medal to TH Anstey sold on auction in 2005 for 850 Pounds.

Swainey, do you have any more detail about which auction room that was at? And exactly when?

Ron, thanks very much for those images - great photo of Edgar, and a wonderfully detailed reverse, too.

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:49 am

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swainey wrote:
I see that the medal to TH Anstey sold on auction in 2005 for 850 Pounds.

Swainey, do you have any more detail about which auction room that was at? And exactly when?

Ron, thanks very much for those images - great photo of Edgar, and a wonderfully detailed reverse, too.

Ossie

The medal went in the Dix Noonan Webb auction on 23rd June 2005 - a very good price (from the buyers perspective) too I think! Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon May 16, 2011 4:16 am

Very belated thanks, Swainey & 1879graves, for the Dix Noonan Webb info/link!

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PostSubject: Re: Lt Edger Oliphant ANSTEY of the 24th   Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:36 pm

EOA [quote]"wrote Lieutenant Anstey was killed at isandhlwana.
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Does anybody know what become of his medal."


EOA, We are please to say yes we do. Click on link http://www.1879zuluwar.com/t4657-lt-edgar-anstey-campaign-medal-given-to-brecon-museum-13-11-11#24264
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