WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn: Lt. Melvill: You didn't really have to choose between your country and the Zulu, did you? Lt. William Vereker: Um, and a damn close thing it was too.
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Durnfords retreat.
Today at 12:53 am by ymob

» Alexander Fonnereau Crookshank of Drumhalyr & Bierrenagh.
Yesterday at 10:48 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Extracts from London Gazette in The Morning Post Wed 10 Sep 1879
Yesterday at 7:18 pm by Kenny

» Vandals wreck grave of Victoria Cross hero
Yesterday at 6:13 pm by Isandula

» James Booth
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:28 pm by xhosa2000

» Events in Brecon & Cardiff in August 2017
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:14 pm by timothylrose

» Zulu emissary - imaginary or otherwise....
Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:49 pm by SRB1965

» Rorke's Drift
Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:28 pm by xhosa2000

» Mrs. J. C. Deeble, Superintendent of Nurses.
Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:26 pm by Janeybird

» Martini Henry question
Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:46 pm by SRB1965

» India Pattern Red Tunic
Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:23 pm by John Young

» Sergeant W. Shaw
Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:52 pm by Kenny

» Philip Edward Victor Gilbert, C.B.
Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:22 pm by 1879graves

» Graves that need a name
Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:36 pm by 1879graves

» Tpr W. H. Hutton 1st Cape Yeomanry
Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:23 pm by claymore123

Colour Sergeant F. Machin
80th Staffordshire Regiment (Isandula Collection)
Largest private Anglo-Zulu War collection on auction
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
Frank Allewell
 
ADMIN
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
John
 
Mr M. Cooper
 
1879graves
 
impi
 
rusteze
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
1879graves
 
Frank Allewell
 
SRB1965
 
90th
 
rusteze
 
xhosa2000
 
John Young
 
ymob
 
Roselier
 
Petty Officer Tom
 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 3
The ammunition question
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share | 
 

 Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:29 pm

I was wondering / hoping if anyone had any information with regards James Owen - I have been told he won a medal and it is in a museum somewhere but I have not been able to find any further information. Thanks.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:50 pm

Hi Pippi. Welcome to the forum.

If we are talking Battle Of Rorkes Drift. I believe you will find James Owen was an alias name his real name was Private David. Lewis, 25B/963, B Company.

http://www.1879zuluwar.com/pictorial-catalogue-of-azw-graves-f18/963-pte-david-lewis-james-owen-t557.htm?highlight=lewis
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
1879graves

avatar

Posts : 2436
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:53 pm

LEWIS, David. 25B/963 Private (Alias James OWEN .)
Born at Swansea, Glamorgan; trade - tin worker (WO97). Description: age at discharge 25 years, height 5' 9", Brown hair, grey eyes, fresh complexion. Attested for 25 Brigade at Brecon 9/12/1876. Posted to 2nd Bn 24th Foot 22/1/1877. Made a monthly remittance of 4 shillings to a Miss Emma Owen, March 1879. Served for 2 years 8 months, including 1 year 8 months in South Africa. Discharged 4/8/1879. Character indifferent. An Injury Assessment Board held at the Royal Hospital, Chelsea 12/8/1879 confirmed that he had was suffering from Valvular Disease of the Heart - caused by being under canvas for six months and constantly exposed to climatic vicissitudes. It was considered that he ought to earn after a time. Awarded a pension of 6 pence per diem for six months. Entry cancelled by' Adjutant General's List dated 11/8/1879. Intended place of residence Swansea, Glamorgan (WO97). A Medal Roll search was undertaken 7/5/1928 on behalf of the Royal Hospital, Chelsea. Died 1/7/1938, at the home of his son, 12 Kemble Street, Brynmill, Swansea. Buried with military honours at Bethel Cemetery, Sketty. A wreath was sent by former comrades at Rorke's Drift including Bourne, Hayes, Edwards, Lockhatt, Cooper, Thomas and W Maybin, Royal Engineers.
Served in the Kaffir War 1878. Served in the Zulu War 1879, a Private in B Company at the defence of Rorke's Drift.
References: Bourne rolls.
South Africa Medal with clasp 1877-8-9.(Regimental property) SWB
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:10 pm

Thanks a million for the info that is great. My husband said he remembers being taken to 12 Kemble St by his dad when he was little. Real name is actually James Owen but he was underage and ran away from home (I think) so he used the alias of David Lewis. Fantastic - my daughters great great great grandad !!
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:23 pm

Hi Pippi. Roll of Honour shows: Lewis, David. Private. 25B/963, B Company, alias James Owen. But your saying his real name was James Owen. and his Alias was David Lewis.

Is that correct. Or you think that’s correct. Would be interested to know your source.

Regards
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:35 pm

Hi, our family has been researching the family tree and found an old newspaper cutting regarding his burial which also showed his alias (we thought this was fasinating that a relative had been in the Zulu war so decided to look further). Our name is Owen and as I said they all remember the house as well. This is great to find out all this info, thanks.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:40 pm

Pippi. Do you still have the newspaper cutting.
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:46 pm

Hi, yes of course, only got it int he post the other day.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:08 pm

Any chance you could post a photo of the cutting.
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:22 pm

of course, but it's next door and a bit late to go knocking. i am busy tomorrow am but will do it pm if thats ok.

if you go into http://archive.timesonline.co.uk and search james owen on 2/8/38 then you get a snippet of his obituary but have to pay for the full copy so I will post tomorrow. Regards
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:24 pm

Thanks Pippi. Looking forward to your post tomorrow. Thanks for the link.
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
90th

avatar

Posts : 9234
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 61
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: david lewis ( james owen )   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:11 am

hi all.
I havent been around for a couple of days , so busily trying to read all posts . Great work
by those involved in this post , and welcome pippi hope you enjoy it here and sure you will learn
much about the zulu war of 1879. Idea .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:27 pm

Hi guys, I have 3 articles, all from the South Wales Evening Post about James Owen death, preperations for his funeral and the funeral day itself. It would seem no-one was aware of the article I found in the Times yesterday, so I will be getting a copy of that tomorrow. I have tried to scan from my printer for the first time ever and keep getting an error message so will look into fixing this tomorrow - so very sorry but the post will have to wait until tomorrow (the plan being if I can't get it to work then I will go down the library)! Thx for all your help so far. Regards Pippi
Back to top Go down
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:58 pm

Hi guys, I have scanned the newspaper articles but now have another problem . . . . how do I attach them to my message ??
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:17 pm

Hi pippi.
I have P.M My e-mail address, send them to me and i will post it under your name.
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:34 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Photo Supplied by: pippi
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:41 pm

It might be me getting confused. (As Normal) It says:

"He took part in the famous March to Isandlwana and was Present at the relief of troop at Rorkes Drift."

So is the article saying he was with Chelmsford column that stayed overnight among the dead and then march to Rorkes Drift the next day.
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
Mr Greaves

avatar

Posts : 746
Join date : 2009-10-18

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:16 pm

What was the great march to Isandlwana?. Was it the march to the Isandlwana before the Battle. Or the March to re-take the camp after the Battle.

Mr G
Back to top Go down
90th

avatar

Posts : 9234
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 61
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: david lewis ( james owen )   Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:14 am

hi all.
Think I will opt for the march back to Isandlwana . I dont think going there had any fame with it . And for him to be
in the relief force he was obviously with the Good Lord or he would be dead .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
Mr Greaves

avatar

Posts : 746
Join date : 2009-10-18

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:20 am

Like Admin, I thought he was one of the RD Defenders. So how could he have been with the relief force.

Mr G
Back to top Go down
90th

avatar

Posts : 9234
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 61
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: Lewis / Owen.   Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:57 am

hi all.
It seems this chap was with B Co according to graves1879, if that is correct he would have taken part in the actual battle of R.D
and not been part of the relief force , more to the point the force that was relieved !!!!. As we know it was B Co that was left at
the Drift. I would say the papers have it wrong again , it does happen fairly regularily .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

avatar

Posts : 2554
Join date : 2009-04-24

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:03 pm

All the documentation clearly shows he was one of the defenders at R.D
Back to top Go down
Dave

avatar

Posts : 1606
Join date : 2009-09-21

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Sat May 01, 2010 9:32 am

Has anyone got a photo James owen, or a photo of he resting place.
Back to top Go down
1879graves

avatar

Posts : 2436
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon May 31, 2010 7:22 pm

Hi Dave

A photo of him and his last resting place, can now be found at Pictorial catalogue of AZW Graves & Memorials
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon May 31, 2010 7:45 pm

Thanx for the photo - wish I lived in the UK so I could pay my respects and care for it.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon May 31, 2010 9:20 pm

Pippi. Unfortunately many of the graves of the Zulu War Veterans are in poor condition. There have been some re-dedications. The only problem is its not cheap and takes lots of organising. If your interested I will have a word with someone who as a lot of experience in Re-Dedications to those that took part in the Zulu War. See what you think of the Re-Dedications that have been achieved so far. Click on link. http://www.1879zuluwar.com/re-dedications-to-those-who-took-part-in-the-zulu-war-1879-f24/
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
littlehand

avatar

Posts : 7071
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 48
Location : Down South.

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Mon May 31, 2010 11:17 pm

Let's face it this Grave could do with a redeadication.
Back to top Go down
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:30 pm

It is definately worth looking in to a re-dedication, so yes please, I would appreciate any guidance you may be able to give as regards "Where do I go next"???
Back to top Go down
pippi



Posts : 11
Join date : 2010-04-26

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:44 pm

I don't suppose anyone has any other photos of James - I have one and it appears to be the same as the one shown here. Thanx.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

avatar

Posts : 3564
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 58
Location : KENT

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:19 pm

Pippi. I have sent you a P.M
Back to top Go down
http://www.1879zuluwar.com
Ed34



Posts : 1
Join date : 2012-08-03

PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:44 pm

While tracing my family genealogy it looks like Pvt James Owen might be an ancestor. I am trying to find out more information about him. Any suggestions on where there is information on him? My family thinks it is funny that I always loved the movie ZULU from when I was a kid and now have found out an ancestor was there!
Back to top Go down
90th

avatar

Posts : 9234
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 61
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: Pte 25B/ 963 David Lewis ( James Owen )   Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:45 am

Hi Ed34.
Welcome to the forum hope you enjoy your time here Salute . If you check the tabs on the left hand side ,' our favourite web links '- click on ' The Legacy ; Rorke's Drift ' by Kris Wheatley , in Volume 8 Kris has compiled 10 pages on Lewis ( Owen ) covering his birth , time in the army , after R.D , his civilian life , family etc - time of death and grave etc etc . Well worth having as is all the series . It will give you much info on what you are looking for .
Cheers 90th . You need to study mo
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)   

Back to top Go down
 
Pte 25B/963 David Lewis (James Owen)
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENEALOGY-
Jump to: