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David Jenkins was born in Defynnog, Brecon, in 1846 and enlisted for the town's 25th Brigade at the age of 23, being posted to South Africa in 1874. By Christmas 1878 he, along with his 1st Battalion 24th Regiment colleagues and men from the Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers, assembled at Rorke's Drift.
After it was over he served with the South Wales Borderers from 1882, becoming Lance Corporal the following year. He was discharged in 1888 after 12 years in the military.

David Jenkins has been recognised and has a gravestone which reflects his bravery in Rorke's Drift,"

Letter from David Jenkins to reassure his family that he had survived that appalling day and his letter was published in 'The Merthyr Express' of Saturday 22nd March 1879 :

"Dear Father
just a few lines to let you know that I am one of the ten that escaped out of five companies. The remainder were cut to pieces, - in fact cut in bits - with those savages. About 15,000 of them came on the camp when the column was out. All in the camp were killed - 495 of our regiment and about 300 of different corps. Oh I never saw such a sight. Please pray to God to continue to save my life. There are only 240 men remaining in our regiment. So no more. I shall write again soon if alive.
Dear Father, please go personally or write a letter to Isaac Lewis and tell him that his son-in-law, Sgt. Chambers is killed. His son Thomas is alive but still in hospital with fever. He had a narrow escape. He crept on his hands and knees and came from the hospital to the fort through all the firing Please give my love to all and write soon.
Your affectionate son.

David

P.S. I think we will go down to the colony to get refitted, as we have lost
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Reading those letters was nice. When he says about 495 were killed from his regiment, im guessing he is including the 2nd battalion?

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Just goes to show how video's can alter the truth!
Videos have the ability to convince people that's how it was.
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Very true impi, one only needs to watch Baker's film 'Zulu' to see how the truth was hidden and altered, and how many people were conned into believing that the regiment and its men were welsh, but like you say, it convinced many people 'that's how it was'.

However, in the case of Pte. David Jenkins, there is more than enough proof that he was indeed one of the brave defenders who fought at RD, and that his name should therefore be added to the roll of honour.
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impi wrote:
Just goes to show how video's can alter the truth!
Videos have the ability to convince people that's how it was.

How true. Still at the end of the day, he will never be added to the roll. He was there only in the minds of those who feel enough evidence as been produce.,all based on a sketch made by Butler.

Martin still can't understand the concept of why Zulu was made. No
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"all based on a sketch made by Butler."

And a whole lot more evidence to boot.

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Meant to ask you how is that old wooden spoon of yours? Very Happy
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John, I suppose you want me to say that zulu was made to entertain and bring the AZW to the attention of the public, however, Baker also had an agenda behind the making of the hoax film the way he did, he was hoping to alter history by making the gullible general public believe that the regiment was welsh when it most certainly was NOT, but he did create the myth that it was didn't he.

Regarding Pte David Jenkins, there is a lot more evidence than 'a sketch', I suggest that you go back through the thread on Pte David Jenkins and read it again, there is a lot more evidence beside 'a sketch'. You need to study mo
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Martin wrote:
he was hoping to alter history by making the gullible general public believe that the regiment was welsh

Well he seems to have fooled everyone apart from you Martin! Very Happy
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Hi CTSG.

No mate, there are many who know the truth, he did not fool everyone with his hoax film.

Fair enough, he brought the AZW to the attention of the public, so that is something that can be classed as being a good thing, however, he did it with an hidden aganda, and that cannot be right, can it. scratch

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[quote="Mr M. Cooper"]Hi CTSG.

No mate, there are many who know the truth, he did not fool everyone with his hoax film.

Fair enough, he brought the AZW to the attention of the public, so that is something that can be classed as being a good thing, however, he did it with an hidden aganda, and that cannot be right, can it.  scratch

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What was the hidden agenda. ?
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Come on old H, get a grip old mate. Very Happy

Don't say that after all this time you still don't know what the hidden agenda was? scratch

Baker deliberately altered things to make it appear that the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment was a welsh regiment when it wasn't. He added loads of false welshness to the film to make it appear that it was a welsh regiment (with a few foreigners from England), when it was actually the other way round.

He deliberately tried to alter historical facts to try to convince the gullible general public that the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment was more or less an all welsh affair, he stole the honour and glory from the regiment and its mainly Englishmen and gave the credit to a welsh regiment (SWB) that did not exist at the time of the AZW. By doing this, he created the myth that the regiment that defended RD was a welsh regiment when it wasn't, and conned the public into believing a hoax rather than believing the truth. In a roundabout way, he tried to alter historical facts and replace them with fiction, and by doing this, he dishonoured the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment and its mainly Englishmen, and gave false credit to a fictional welsh regiment that did not exist at the time of the AZW, and that cannot be right.
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