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PostSubject: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:59 pm

I guess most of you; have guessed by now I’m interested in paranormal events connected to the Zulu War
My main problem. is I need help sometimes identifying if the person in question did actually take part in the Zulu War. Here’s a recent one I found. So any information on him would be gratefully appreciated.

John Hardman, Bleeding
Location: Feering - Feering Church, wall near pulpit
Type: Haunting Manifestation
Date / Time: 1890's
Further Comments: Seen frequently during the 19th century, John Hardman was killed during the Zulu War, and buried at Feering church. John's bloody ghost was seen often, his hands trying to cover a stomach wound.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:03 pm

Sorry I dont know anything about Hardman, but it sounds facinating....

However this old thread I started at the RDVC discussion forum may be of interest to you:

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:09 pm

Hi OldH

I have had a quick look for the name of Hardman, but I have not found a Hardman listed in any of the rolls I have. Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:42 pm

Ghosts Of Fort Amiel:

Fort Amiel and the surrounding area said to be haunted. Since the erection of this British military outpost in 1876 it has been the last resting place of many soldiers who are buried a short distance from the fort in the cemetery. Two sightings of a soldier have been seen in the Cook House. This red coat soldier once 'slapped' an unfortunate gardener through the face and in another incident 'lifted up' another worker and “dropped” him while reminding him that he did not give him permission to enter. In the Royal Engineers Store a sighting has also been made.

A resident in one of the houses in the present suburb of Amiel Park, close to the fort, eventually moved away after unbearable noises, amongst others the galloping and whinnying of horses, started every night at 12 o’clock. Many residents still find rusted horse shoes and other remains of the military activity of the past in their gardens.

Fort Amiel is off the Memel/Vrede Road into Eaton Road, left in Amiel Road and then right into Fort Road.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:20 pm

"According to Ripley's Believe It or Not, after Louis Napoléon's death in Africa, his mother Eugénie saw his ghost in France. Louis' ghost asked his mother to find his body. She travelled to Africa herself and was strangely drawn to the spot where her son's body was located, under the plants and dirt."

Thanks to all the replies. Mons thanks for the link. Perhaps Neil can tell us some more on his sighting...
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:24 pm

Old H. Great minds think a like. Came across this. I was also looking regarding the Prince Imperial.

"Some ghosts make their presence felt by scents and odors, as well by sounds. During the Zulu wars in South Africa last century, the Prince Imperial of France was killed. His body was returned to his family for burial and a cairn of stones erected as a memorial on the site where he had died. The following year, the prince's mother, Eugenie, wished to visit the battlefield where her son had died, but she could not find the memorial. Whilst searching the undergrowth she became aware of the scent of violets, which had been his favorite flowers, and was guided to the cairn"
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:47 pm

Fort Amiel, Newcastle
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Fort Amiel was built in 1876 by Major Charles Frederick Amiel and some 200 men of the 80th Staffordshire Volunteers in the prelude to the annexation of the Transvaal and the Zulu War.

The Fort was to serve as a commissariat depot, transit camp, and hospital during the Zulu War and the Transvaal War of Independence. Constructed on a knoll overlooking the original wagon drift across the Ncandu River the Fort had a good view over the original town of Newcastle.

The Fort was sold off in 1882 and fell into disuse. During the Anglo-Boer War the knoll and all the surrounding ground was occupied by the British who again used it as a transit camp, military hospital and commissariat.

Restoration only started in 1979 after the site had been declared a National Monument. The discovery of the original plans in a London Museum gave impetus to the restoration work.

Restoration work was undertaken by the Newcastle Town Council in conjunction with the Natal Museum Services. The discovery of the plans assisted greatly in establishing the uses of the various buildings and excavations on the site revealed the foundations of the Magazine, Shell store, and R.E. Store.The buildings were rebuilt on these foundations in 1986. The last of the buildings to be completed were the Officers’ Quarters and the Cook house which were demolished brick by brick and reconstructed.

Today, Fort Amiel houses an historic/cultural museum. Military displays concentrate on the two Anglo-Boer Wars. The display period room depicts the career of Sir Rider Haggard, author of “King Solomon’s Mines” and the Cookhouse is typical of those found at British Army Bases in the 1880’s. The Fort’s canteen houses clothing, bric-a-brac and old photographs from Newcastle’s colourful past while the Guard House has a display of the 80th Regiment and furniture used by the Quartermaster, Captain Perrin.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:38 pm

Fort Amiel. Can anyone make out the inscription on this head stone? I cannot enlarge the image to get a clear viewan anyone make out the inscription on this head stone. I cannot enlarge the image to get a clear view..
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:05 am

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Fort Amiel. Can anyone make out the inscription on this head stone? I cannot enlarge the image to get a clear viewan anyone make out the inscription on this head stone. I cannot enlarge the image to get a clear view..
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I couldn't do much with that photo but found one a little clearer .. Blew it up and made it b&w .
Most of it is now readable mate Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:37 am

Thanks SirDCC.

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i'm Guessing this is the same chap.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:14 pm

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The following year, the prince's mother, Eugenie, wished to visit the battlefield where her son had died, but she could not find the memorial. Whilst searching the undergrowth she became aware of the scent of violets, which had been his favorite flowers, and was guided to the cairn"

I'm afraid this does not accord with what actually happened. As Ian Knight puts it in his, " With His Face to the Foe" " the spot where the Prince fell would be all too apparent while still many miles off" .The site was marked with a memorial cross surrounded by a circle of newly planted trees - the only European impact in an otherwise empty landscape. When taking the Empress to the site, Wood deliberately chose to approach it via a more obscure route in order that she would be spared a prolonged view. Even so, it was still a few hundred yards away when it finally came into view and the Empress, "collapsed, and could only descend from the wagon with the help of her aides".

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:15 am

My money goes with Umbiki. The grave site is in the middle of a rather desolate area and cant be missed. Even before the grove of trees were planted it would be pretty damned hard to miss.
Lovely Victorian melodrama though.

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PostSubject: Samlesbury hall    Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:13 pm

"Samlesbury hall is a grade 1 listed building , and a national treasure. Built way back in1323, by Gilbert De Southworth, for his bride to be a young lady called Deywes. The hall has a reputation for being one of the United Kingdoms, Most haunted buildings.In the past 700 years the hall has experienced a beheading two murders a suicide and two suspicious deaths. Samlesbury hall was in Danger of falling into dereliction when in the year 1924 historians and wealthy entrepreneurs, formed the preservation society, and raised the funds to save this magnificent building by purchasing it and utilising it for weddings antique auctions, And guided tours. The trustees very kindly invited me to conduct tours for them. I enjoy conducting them very much indeed its quite common to have overseas visitors and foreign TV and radiocrews all anxious to come across the many ghosts that haunt the building. There are many stories,but by far the most popular has to be the famous white lady, Lady Dorethea Southworth. Her story would make a good mills and boonlove story. Lets turn the clock back to a fine warm summers day in1547, Dorethea is 20 years old abeautiful young woman. She made her way over the halls moat and into the forest, there she heard the sound of a galloping horse , And suddenly came in to contact witha handsome youth called De-Houghton. His home the famous Houghton towers, situated some five miles from Samlesbury. They made eye contact, and it was obvious to both of them that this was literally love at first sight, Are lationship made in heaven.Dorethea's Father was mortified, no daughter of mine will ever have a relationship with a protestant, weare a Catholic family, I forbid youever to see him again, If anything this just fuelled there love, the two would meet in the dead of night in the forest surrounding the hall, and embrace warmly.Her father warned her again, If you continue with this relationship I will have you banished, you will live with the nuns in the south of France. No protestant is welcome in this household. He then told hert wo brothers to watch her movements, on a bright moonl it night Dorethea crept down the halls long gallery across the lawns and over the moat to meet the love ofher life, She had no idea that her two brothers were stalking her movements.There on the fringe of the forest she met De Houghton and his Servant, De Houghton bowed knelt down and kissed her hand. He then produced from his jacket a huge engagement ring, Lady Doretheawill you do me the honour of be-coming my wife. A warm smile spread across her face and sheuttered the words yes. Suddenly he was pounced on by her two brothers both armed with two sharp knives. The poor lad was murdered right in front of her. She was dragged back in to the hall screaming tears spilling down her cheeks. The love of her life had been extinguished right in front ofher. In a state of deep trauma hercruel father kept his word , LadyDorethea was sent to the south of France to live with the Nuns. The poor girl never ate, slept or drank again all she had on her lips wasyoung De Houghtons name, and three weeks after arriving in Franceshe died of a broken heart .

That’s when the famous sightings of the white lady have taken place always across the busy road, and then nextt o a huge yew tree in the grounds.One of the most famous sightings took place in 1878, when officers of the 24 regiment of foot were baseda t Samlesbury to quell cotton rioting in nearby Blackburn and Preston Colonel Pullene officer commanding retired for the night and fell in to a deep sleep. When he became aware of deep sobbing sounds he got out of his bunk and opened the curtains, There from his vantage point in the long gallery he noticed a female shape standing next to the yew tree, Apparently sobbing almost uncontrollably and looking at the ground. The Colonel dressed quickly and being an officer and a Gentleman he ran across the lawns to assist the lady in distress,Ma'am can I help you, He enquired.Suddenly the figure turned, the Colonel was shocked when he noticed that were there should have been a face there was a black cavity. Horrified he ran back in to the hall, and consumed the contents of his army regulation hip flask. He had battle experience from the Crimean wars and was no coward but this event shocked him deeply. This was his favourite mess story, sadly the Colonel was to lose his life at the battle of Isandlwanaon the 22nd of January 1879, in the Zulu wars. No doubt on the eve ofthe battle he entertained his fellow officers with the white lady story. It wasn't long after when the Blackburn to Preston road was built to link both towns. When the navigators came across the halls old moat, they drained it and placed a herringbone drainage system across the halls lawns. It was here that a skeleton was discovered twof eet under the soil next to the yewtree, And there on a skeletal finger was a huge ring, Historians are convinced Young De Houghtons grave had been discovered. A verysad story, that adds to the hypnoticand seductive atmosphere Samlesbury hall emanates. The hallis well worth a visit, and averages some 50,000 visitors a year all eager to hear tales of the families who lived there all those years ago.!
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:34 pm

Old H. One for you, bottom photo taken from the one above?
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:15 am

Fascinating story about Samlesbury Hall, my wife had heard the story before and on a recent trip to UK we tried to find it. We got "bushed" and gave up after my Tomtom GPS couldn't find it. Maybe next time.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:09 am

Just read OH2's post of 2nd Sept. 2011.

Interesting, especially as it makes comment on Pulleine's battlefield experience in the Crimea.  

Even more interesting as he was in South Africa in 1878.

May be the truth is out there somewhere. No

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:35 pm

John Young wrote:
Just read OH2's post of 2nd Sept. 2011.

Interesting, especially as it makes comment on Pulleine's battlefield experience in the Crimea.  

Even more interesting as he was in South Africa in 1878.

May be the truth is out there somewhere. No

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Now the story has changed some what!!!!!!!!!!!

"Sightings of the ghost of Dorothea have taken place over the years, always in the same area on the road and next to the yew tree and horse chestnut tree. She will stare at the ground and cry hysterically. My favourite sighting took place in the year 1878, when the towns of Preston and Blackburn were experiencing cotton riots, and as a result troops were billited in both towns. The officers had the great pleasure of having the Long Gallery at Samlesbury for their quarters. Colonel Wolsley South Wales Borderers had just dined with his fellow officers, and turned in for the night when he became aware of the sound of crying. 'It's not one of my men' he said 'sounds like a woman to me.' He opened the curtains next to his bed, and looked outside on to the lawns, and there in the bright moonlight he could clearly see a female shape, standing next to the yew tree and horse chestnut.

He dressed quickly and ran across the lawns shouting 'marm can I help you?' The figure turned around and the Colonel was deeply shocked and indeed horrified to notice that the shape had no face just a hollow cavity. He swallowed deeply reaching for his pistol and ran back in side the Hall. He had a stiff drink from his flask. The Colonel had experienced the horrors of war in the Crimea, he had seen much bloodshed but had never witnessed anything paranormal before.

The following morning he had breakfast with the Harrisons and told them his story. They laughed and told him 'don't worry Colonel you have seen the White Lady, Lady Dorethea Southworth.'

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Well that gets Pulleine of the Hook.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu War paranormal events.    Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:42 pm

Littlehand,

They mentioned those three words for a regiment in 1878, don't let Martin see it.

The story doesn't stand too much investigation. If only there had been a Colonel Wolsley in the British Army, let alone a regiment that did not exist, in 1878.

Even spelling it as Wolseley, the only candidate with Crimean experience would have been Garnet Wolseley, and he was busy in Cyprus in 1878.

That's bell, book and candled that little tale...

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PostSubject: Zulu war paranormal events    Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:47 am

Shocked Shocked Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes .
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