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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:53 am

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Reading Macleroy's father's letter that you posted it seems he was quite adamant he did not want his sons remains to be disturbed. Why then did he have him re-interred in Pietermaritzberg?

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Where can i read Macleroy Fathers letter??????  Link please
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:36 am

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I think JY is more qualified to answer that one. But I would suggest it wasn't a case of having his son disturbed but more retaining the individual grave rather than a mass grave.
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Go back a few posts its on page 2.
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I was lucky when I went of to find the Shepstone grave, I was staring at the ground so bloody hard looking for Adders that I found an MH round. Also two snakes, Ive never ever walked around there in shorts and sandals again, these days boots and Kharkies.
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probably as you say, just a bit of affectation. ( I do the same when I tell the grandkids to call me 'oh mighty one') Very Happy Their more likely to tell me to bugger of though.
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:39 am

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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:29 am

Hi Frank
No problem mate Very Happy . I can say I've never worn shorts , sandals , or the like whenever I've been actually on the battlefields , strictly boots and Cargo pants ( lots of pockets ! ) . Yes my eyes were looking downward , but I still didn't see the three nesting birds fly off just near my left foot Shocked Shocked , luckily it wasn't an Adder or something else just as nasty Shocked Shocked Shocked . I assume you did the '' right '' thing and left the MH round where you fond it ? Joker Joker Joker Joker Joker
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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:36 am

Does anyone know if the Macleroy gravestone has been replaced or repaired ? , if I get the chance in Oct we may go and have a look , does anyone know which cemetery ( In case there are several ) and its location , along with details to find Macleroy ? . ....Tim ??????
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:45 am

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Follow littlehand's link to JY's post.
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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:50 am

Thanks JW , so if I contact JY he will have the relevant information I may need , is that what you mean ? , there is no mention of directions in JY's post .
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:09 am

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No. Read my post again. It's Littlehand's post of 8.39 with a link to a post from JY giving the cemetery details.
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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:19 am

Thanks JW , all good .
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:35 am

Commercial Road Cemetry = Chief Albert Luthuli Road Cemetry
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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:51 am

Thanks Frank agree
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:56 pm

Been there 90th with Paul Naish
Macleroy grave is on the left hand side as you enter the gate on Commercial Road its about 100 down the path
on the other side of the Road you can see the graves of Bishop Colenso daughters go through the gate its your first or second path on your left about 50 paces you can not miss it and Theopolis Shepestone
go down the entry path there is another path on your right go down 100 meters or so many of his family members are buried beside him mate

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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:10 pm

Thanks Aussie , when you going over again ?
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:22 pm

I cam only go after Christmas most likely 2017 I have a list of places for the Major he still needs to find a couple of them for me.

Frank when you go to find Macleroy grave take some 360 degree photos mate and get the GPS cordiants please that will be first on my list his story is quite moving.
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:17 pm

Hello Frank
Did you make it up to Isandlwana on Sept 10th? Did you find Macleroy's marked grave?
We managed to get to the battlefield on Monday Sept 19th, the day after the first substantial rainfall for 18 months or so. 300 to 400 yards down the Fugitives' Drift we found a small cairn with very little whitewash, but no memorial stone with Macleroy's name on it. Was this the wrong cairn or has Macleroy's named stone been removed?

I had a look at the Aberdeen Evening Express March 15 1879 which quoted from a letter from Muirhead that had appeared in a Natal paper. Andrew Muirhead and George M'Leroy had left the field of battle when "a bullet struck George between the shoulder-blades. He swayed once or twice, and then fell. Andrew stopped, and as a doctor was passing at the time, he asked him to see if George was really dead. They jumped on their horses again, and had gone about 20 yards ------ when they saw a Zulu quivering his assegai for a throw --- Andrew dug the spurs ---the assegai passed him and killed the doctor". If this is the "true story" it implies George was not injured till he had left the battlefield and it also confirms that Peter Shepherd died very close to George Macleroy. What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:08 pm

Hi David
I did indeed get to the Fugitives trail. The hottest day of the year so far wasn't the best timing Im afraid.
I think this is the cairn you refer to
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Just passed this one, around 200 metres the fence line on the left takes aa bend, The Macleroy grave in that region, very difficult to locate, I searched for a long time without success. I subsequently discovered it was now surrounded by thorn trees.
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:13 pm

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PostSubject: Surgeon Maj P Shepherd AMD    Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:01 pm

Hi All
IK has a photo which he and Paul Castle from memory took back in the 90's , it's basically from memory on a rise , so none of those shown appear to be the one , with the exception of the one JW posted , but you cant see the background , IK is bringing the photo to Sth Africa , hopefully we'll find it , and I'll ask someone to post it for us .
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:13 am

Hi All
As I pointed out to David, the photos Ive posted are of a 'cairn' on the track that he thought was the Macleroy grave. It isn't, his grave is further down over to the left in a copse of trees. The headstone is still there but virtually invisible. I spent a long time and couldn't locate it, but when I got back to the carpark it was described by one of the FDL guides.

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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:04 am

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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:32 am

Do you mean that this photo is yours?
Ask Maritzburg College to change the attribution!
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:38 am

Most of those photos from the College have been 'apropriated' from this site. Ive spoken to them before about it but they have no sense of morality at all. Reading their site they have no sense of accuracy either. That particular photo actually belongs to another forum member, no longer active.
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:28 pm

Hello Frank
Sorry to hear that you couldn't find Macleroy's marked cairn. The one we found, pic attached, was different from the one you saw. We thought ours looked like the earlier Macleroy one with minimal whitewash, but clearly there are several like this. As you said the field guide knows that Macleroy's marked cairn still exsists higher up and further on the Drift route. At least we have been close to where Peter Shepherd was interred. The whole battlefield scenario was moving, having changed so little since January 1879.

Some of you in the past have known/been in contact with descendants of Peter's brother William Shepherd. Any contact details would be much appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Surgeon Major P. Shepherd Army Medical Department.   Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:03 pm

John Young wrote:

I taken you mean MacLeroy - Mac means Son of.  Leroy might take some translation from Frederic's mother tongue.  The name betrays the family's regal roots.

JY

Bonjour,

Leroy (or Leroi, Le Roi, Rey in the south-west of France...)

1°) A surname must be considered more like a nickname that as a title of nobility. Indeed, the name Leroy means "King", and it is difficult to think that the ancestors of these people were kings, otherwise during popular festivals or in parallel societies (think of the King of the Court of Miracles in Notre - Dame of Paris).

For example in Picardy, during the Middle-Ages there was a game: "The archers gathered at shooting competitions at the bird . The bird (Papegault, papegeay or simply jay) was set up on a pole. The shoot was not easy because we had to do it completely. Breaking a member or head was not enough, we had to take the body away. That's why the game could last several days. One who succeeded was named "king" and was entitled to the first place in the parades for a year. Whoever was "king" two years later became "constable". If he succeeded a third time, he took the title "emperor".
 (JF. Leblond et Y. Brohard, Vie et traditions populaires en Picardie) ».


2°) The name may also refer to someone who operated property belonging to the King, not to the local Lord.

Actually, there are  94 000 Leroy in France .

I.E.: Informations taken from two French genealogy websites.

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