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PostSubject: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:55 pm

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Their senior officer Lieutenant H.H Howard told his men to retire to a nearby farmhouse and rode off, apparently to find help.

Booth say's in his own words

“We fought the Zulus for three miles in retreat,” he reported after the battle. “We kept close together, firing volleys at our pursuers as they prepared to rush us.” By now Lt Howard had found reinforcements and when the large force of Redcoats was spotted by the Zulus, they fled, carrying their booty with them. A few days later, Sgt Booth wrote to his wife Lucy about the battle, telling her only 41 men out of 154 had survived the battle.


"Lt Howard was court-marshaled for having ‘misbehaved before the enemy’ when he left the field of battle." Why ??? scratch

Howard told them to retire to a farm house, He rode off to get help, (Which he did) And there wasn't really a Battlefield to leave, it was more of a retreat away from the Battlefield for all concerned. ( What would have happen if Howard had not returned with reinforcements)
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PostSubject: Booth.   Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:02 am

Hi ctsg.
This may have been covered earlier on the forum but I have no idea where ! . I have never read anywhere where
Harward told Booth anything let alone retreat to the / a farmhouse . The following from ' Ntombe - The Bloody Affair
At Myers Drift ' by Mark Hobson ' Once the zulus began to cross in large numbers Harward , Booth , their men , and the
few survivors from the laager , were in danger of being outflanked as the enemy swept up the riverbank . Seeing this Harward
ordered them to fall back from their position by the commissariat wagon, and not a moment to soon , for the zulu charged
forward just then and gained the small campsite on that side . A flurry of hand -to- hand fighting followed during which several
more soldiers died , and those remaining became seperated into small clumps , Harward's command began to break up .
It was at this moment that one of the most controversial episodes in the whole messy affair took place . Lt Harward , feeling he had
lost control of his men and could no longer influence events , grabbed the opportunity to depart from the battlefield . When he
later explained his actions he claimed his sole reason for leaving was to return to Luneburg to fetch reinforcements , and as he was
the only person on their side of the river with a horse ( some suggest it actually belonged to one of the conductors ) this responsibility fell to him .
Now this what Harward said to Tucker when he arrived at Luneburg charging into his tent " Major , major , The camp is in the
hands of the enemy , they are all slaughtered , and I have galloped in for my life " . Tucker say's Harward then fell across my bed
in a dead faint ! . I would hardly say this was a call for reinforcements . And the powers to be agreed with me ! Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:26 am

Did you know that Lt. Harward was not court-marshalled until a year after the action in question. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:11 am

Captain Carey was requested to attend a Court of Enquiry. It was recommended that he be tried by Court-Martial for 'Misbehaviour before the Enemy'.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:11 pm

Good point CTSG. These two cases are very similar, so how comes Coghill received a VC. Harward & Carey left the Battlefield for a reason, to return with reinforcements.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:31 pm

Dave. It was under different circumstances. Coghill was awarded the VC for attempting to save a fellow officers life, but paid with his own in doing so. Harward & Carey left there men to get on with it. Therefore this was classed as 'Misbehaviour before the Enemy'.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:25 pm

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Coghill was awarded the VC for attempting to save a fellow officers life
I know this Chard1879. But the event in which he lost his life took place about 6 miles from the Battlefield. Unfortunally I strongly believe Coghills so called "heroic" demised was due to Melville arriving on the scene at the wrong time, a few minutes later Coghill would be out of sight and away. He left the Battlefield for the sole intention of saving his own skin.

Cary and Harward left for a purpose. 1) To bring reinforcements 2) To warn others of inpending danger..

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I have never heard of or read this. Can someone name a source.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:44 pm

Coghill had no real part to play an Isandlwana; he was there to rest his knee. There was no point in him staying; he would have been easy prey anyway. And he could have kept going when he reach the other side of the Buffalo, but he when back to assist Melville. He wasn’t in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was doing what was expected of him.

Carey and Harward just took off.
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PostSubject: A.C Booth   Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:11 pm

Hi Dave .
If you read my post you will see what Harward said when he arrived at Luneburg ............. HARDLY a call for reinforcements !.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:31 am

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If you read my post you will see what Harward said when he arrived at Luneburg
Is this fact as in documented by someone who was there like Tucker or what is thought to have been said to Tucker.
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PostSubject: A.C Booth   Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:51 am

hi ctsg.
In my post it says word for word what Harward said to Tucker when he burst into his tent , Quoted by Tucker, then Tucker says he ( Harward ) collapsed in a dead feint across his ( Tucker's Bed ). I didnt add in my initial post , Tucker was forced to bring him around
with water . These were Tuckers statements . As I have said previously it was hardly a call for reinforcements !. And no wonder charges were laid .
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:31 pm

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In my post it says word for word what Harward said to Tucker when he burst into his tent
Is this what Mark Hobson is saying took place. (Anyway who is Mark Hobson)

read the account below . Just for the record: I Doub't the failling on the bed bit really did happen. Wink

“Lt. Howard took charge, but he decided to ride off and fetch help leaving Colour-Sergeant Booth with about 40 of his men fighting against the approaching Zulus who were crossing over the river to the south bank. After their fighting retreat, which covered a distance of over 3 miles, most of Booth's men eventually returned safely to Luneburg. Before then, Harward had reached Luneburg and gasped out "All slaughtered!” Major Tucker, with about 150 mounted men, galloped to the Ntombi and on his return he recorded "dense masses of Zulus and dead men". Colour Sergeant Booth was later awarded the VC.”
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PostSubject: A.C.Booth   Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:25 pm

hi ctsg.
The Tucker statement concerning Harward arriving at his tent comes from TUCKER HIMSELF , written in a letter to his
father dated 19th March . The letter is on page 352 of ' A Staffordshire Regt In The Zulu & Sekukuni Campaigns 1878 - 1879
80 th Regt of Foot ' by Robert Hope . You cant get a more Primary or Authenticated confirmation than that ! Idea
Mark Hobson has written 1 book that I am aware of ,it being the one I mentioned in my 1st post.

Some more info . In a letter written home by Booth on the 14th March , he says ..... " I commanded the party on this side as
Lt Harward saddled his horse and GALLOPED AWAY LEAVING US TO DO THE BEST WE COULD "

And more ....This is from Harward's own official letter he sent to the WD. Dated Luneburg 12th March .
" I endevoured to rally my men , but they were to much scattered , and finding re- formation impossible , I mounted my
horse and galloped into Luneburg at utmost speed , and reported all that had taken place " . I estimate the strength of the
enemy at not less than 4,000 men ".


Well I certainly didnt see anything that says he was going for reinforcements ! . And that is his own words !!!!.
Also on that point , Col Wood's spies estimated the force that attacked the convoy at no more than 800 !. That
is from the " Narrative Of Field Operations connected with the zulu war by The Intelligence Department ".
So the evidence is written in black and white , I think Harward was lucky he was punished more severely .
Wolseley was also less than happy .

One final thing , In Tucker's own letter to the W.D he states......... " LT. Harward arrived at Luneburg from the Intombi River
reporting that THE CAMP AND WAGGONS WERE IN THE POSSESSION OF THE ENEMY. "


Now call me a sceptic but where is the word REINFORCEMENT'S , It's not mentioned in either of those chaps report's.
The Reinforcement line was what the Defense council put forward to get Harward off . And it seems it basically worked .
The date of the Court Martial was 14th Feb 1880.
ctsg , hope you found this helpful , Idea Idea .
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:38 am

Booth say's in his own words HIS OWN WRODS.

“We fought the Zulus for three miles in retreat,” he reported after the battle. “We kept close together, firing volleys at our pursuers as they prepared to rush us.” By now Lt Howard had found reinforcements and when the large force of Redcoats was spotted by the Zulus, they fled, carrying their booty with them"

The point i'm trying to make is,Its Booth himself
who mentions reinforcements. (Not Harward or Tucker)
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PostSubject: A.C Booth   Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:11 am

Hi ctsg.
If you read my previous post on who said what , you will see that when Booth wrote home on the 14th March he doesnt
MENTION that Harward went for reinforcements !. That is only said by Booth after the fact as in fact Harward did arrive
with troops but it was more to do with what could be salvaged !!!!!!!!!!!!!. As Harward had already told tucker the camp
was in the hands of the enemy and all the men were slaughtered . So its not actually Harward riding to the rescue with
reinforcements as one is lead to believe or understand . As Harward was expecting they would all have died by the time
they got back there , and I'm certain it was Tucker who decided to go see for himself what could be salvaged , sorry
to say , No such thing as a rescue mission as noble as it may have sounded with Harward Riding back with them .
cheers 90th Idea

ps . Forgot to add , it was you who first mentioned reinforcements when you said where would they be if Harward hadnt gone for help
and arrived back with reinforcements , as I said it was more a case of Tucker wishing to see what could be salvaged than any
noble recue mission . In Booth's own words refer to his letter on 14th March !!.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:40 pm

That is speculation on your part.
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As Harward was expecting they would all have died by the time they got back there.

90th He may have not mentioned REINFORCEMENT'S in his letter to his wife but why should he. But you must ask yourself, why did it take a year to bring Harward to justice.
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:54 pm

HC Deb 21 April 1879 vol 245 cc703-4 703

SIR ROBERT PEEL

"Sir, I wish to ask the Secretary of State for War a Question of which I have given him private Notice, and which has a somewhat important bearing upon the conduct of military matters in South Africa. It is, Whether the attention of the Horse Guards or military authorities has been specially directed to the official Report of Lieutenant Harward of what occurred at the camp on the Intombi river on March 11? That officer states in his official Report that the camp was taken by surprise, the following being his words:— "

Being awake about 4 a.m., I heard a shot fired. Captain Moriarty ordered the men to remain under arms. About 5, I heard a sudden call to the guard to turn out, and saw an immense body of Zulus attempting to surround the waggons. I directed my fire upon their flanks, but without any avail. I next observed that the enemy had gained full possession of the camp. Our men were retiring on the river. I directed my fire entirely with a view to cover the retreat of our men. Finding the Zulus were assegaing the men in the water and crossing in large numbers, I ordered a retreat. I endeavoured to rally the men, who, however, gave way, and a hand-to-hand fight ensued. All formation being lost, I mounted my horse and galloped into Luneberg at utmost speed, and reported all that had occurred.
"What I want to know is, Whether this poor officer—the sole surviving one, I believe, of those who were engaged in the business to which I refer—is to receive a message of condolence and confidence; or whether, as he appeared to have left his men when fighting hand-to-hand with the enemy and galloped off to Luneberg, any notice is to be taken of such an extraordinary desertion of his duties?"


COLONEL STANLEY
"Sir, I received, through the courtesy of the right hon. Gentleman a few minutes ago, and since I came to the House, Notice that he would put to me a Question this afternoon, on the subject of the special Report of the Intombi disaster. [Sir ROBERT PEEL: Official Report.] Official Report. That did not give me a clue to enable me to obtain the necessary information required for a reply. Therefore, I shall be glad if the right hon. Gentleman will kindly repeat the Question tomorrow."
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:01 am

Intombe Drift
An Account by Lt. H.H. Harward

'The following is a report made by Lieutenant Harward of the 80th Regiment, who was encamped with 35 men, on the Lüneberg side of the river: - "Being awake during the night, I heard a shot fired in the distance. I got up and ordered the sentry to rouse the detachment on the side of the Intombe Drift nearest Lüneberg, and apprise Captain Moriarty of the fact and ask for his orders. These were that the escort should remain under arms. I afterwards found that this shot was fired at 4a.m. I returned to my tent close by, where I waited, dressed, and about an hour afterwards I heard, "GUARD, TURN OUT!" I instantly turned out, and saw, as the fog lifted, a dense mass of Zulus about 200 yards from the waggon laager, extending all across the valley, with a front of two or three miles. I immediately put my men under cover of a waggon near our tents, and directed their fire on the flanks of the enemy, who were endeavouring to surround our waggon laager on the other side of the river, I next observed that the enemy had gained full possession of the camp and were driving off the cattle. Our men were retiring on the river, which was full of human beings. On seeing this, I directed my fire entirely with a view to cover the retreat of our men. This fire was well sustained, and enabled many to get over the river alive. The enemy were now assegaing our men in the water and also ascending the banks of the river close to us. For fear, therefore, of my men being stabbed under the waggon and to enable them to retire before their ammunition was exhausted, I ordered them to retire steadily, and only just in time to avoid a rush of Zulus on our late position. The Zulus came on in dense masses and fell upon our men, who, being, already broken, gave way, and a hand-to-hand fight ensued. I endeavoured to rally my men, but they were too much scattered; and finding re-formation impossible, I mounted my horse and galloped into Lüneberg at utmost speed and reported all that had occurred."

"I estimate the strength of the enemy at not less than 4,000 men. I beg to draw attention to the good service rendered by Sergeant A. Booth and the men of the party on the Lüneberg side of the river, whose steady fire was instrumental in saving many lives."

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:16 am

Thanks Chard1879. Good posts.

However. Harward was acquitted, because he had the guts to say exactly how it was, he only had 2 wagons, therefore it was impossible to laager. He was the only one with a horse and if he not ridden for help, the possibility was that the remaining men would have been slaughtered, like Moriarty's men on the north side of the river.
Its so easy for those who sit in judgement, to Condemn another person, but they weren't in the same situation as Harward..

Harward even say's
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"I beg to draw attention to the good service rendered by Sergeant A. Booth and the men of the party on the Lüneberg side of the river, whose steady fire was instrumental in saving many lives."
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PostSubject: A.C Booth   Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:11 am

Hi ctsg.
In answer to your question of why did it take 12 mths to bring him to trial . Simple answer is as I see it , Time .
The amount of time for letters etc to arrive if they werent misdirected , gathering evidence the list would have
gone on and on . All was done slowly but it wouldnt have seemed so to those involved . Your last post is exactly
what I have been trying to get through to you as you have stated it yourself ! . You say , He was the only one with
a horse and had he not ridden for HELP . He DIDNT RIDE FOR HELP ! . He bolted to save his own life , and hey
so would I put in the same spot . But he NEVER ONCE says I went for HELP !. . On arrival at Luneburg he doesnt
say ' quickly we must get more men and get back to the river as my command is about to go under ! . NO , It's ' the camp
is in the hands of the enemy and all are slaughtered '. Or words to that effect as I have posted all the correspondance earlier , tell me how that is riding for help ?????. Harward appears to be the saviour of Booth and his band when clearly he isnt . As I
posted earlier IT WAS TUCKER who decided to go back and see what the full story was . Luckily for Harward Booth
and his men were still alive. Booth when seeing the column with Harward would have assumed he had returned with help .
But most of us realize that certainly wasnt the case .
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:26 am

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The amount of time for letters etc to arrive if they werent misdirected , gathering evidence the list would have
gone on and on . All was done slowly but it wouldnt have seemed so to those involved .

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PostSubject: A.C Booth   Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:25 pm

Hi ctsg

Not sure what you mean by ............ Capt Carey scratch !!!!!!. Are you saying Carey's court martial was done quickly ?.
If so , you only need to look at who was killed , the last of the bonaparts so I suppose they did hurry things along quickly.
Harwards case involved survivors and no royal deaths , so I suppose time wasnt of the essence .
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.Booth - A treasure in the family   Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:19 pm

Sir Garnet Wolseley stated

"Had I accepted the verdict it would have been a tacit acknowledgement that I concurred in what appears to me a monstrous theory, viz, that a regimental officer, who is the only officer present with a party of soldiers actually and seriously engaged with the enemy, can, under any pretext whatever, be justified in deserting them, and by so doing, leaving them to their fate. The more helpless a position in which an officer finds his men, the more it is his bounden duty to stay and share their fortune, whether for good or ill. It is because the British officer has always done so that he possesses the influence he does in the ranks of our army. The soldier has learnt to feel, that come what may, he can in the direst moment of danger look with implicit faith to his officer, knowing that he will never desert him under any possible circumstances. And went on to say It is to this faith of the British soldier in his officers that we owe most of the gallant deeds recorded in our military annals, and it is because the verdict of this court martial strikes at the root of this faith, that I feel it necessary to mark officially, my emphatic dissent from the theory upon which the verdict has been found."
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