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PostSubject: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptySun Feb 06, 2011 3:38 pm

I have my great grandfather's medals, including the South Africa Medal with crossed assegais and a shield. The medals are inscribed C/3417 LCpl F. Howard. From the "C" I believe he was with the 3rd Battalion, The 60th (The King's Royal Rifle Corps) Regiment of Foot. He also had the 1882 Egypt Medal and the Khedive Star (1882). Because we have limited information on his military service, or anything else for that matter, his medals may be the one remaining source we can tap. We know that in 1871 he a Private at "District Camp 4th Battalion Rifle Brigade, Cheriton, Kent"; in Jun 1876 he was with the Army Service Corps; and in 1881 he was a Private, Royal Artillery.

Can anyone tell me if C/3417 Joseph Howard is listed on the Medal Rolls, and if so, what unit he was serving with?

Thanks in advance, John
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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptySun Feb 06, 2011 4:03 pm

Hi FJH

Welcome to the forum.

C/3417 L/Corp. F.Howard is listed on the Medal Roll but not in the 60th. He is listed in the Army Service Corps. The "C" stands for Commissariat Department.

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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptySun Feb 06, 2011 4:38 pm

Thanks for the welcome, and the quick response.

Could you tell me the meaning of the three columns on the right "Yes, Serving, X"?

We weren't sure when he transferred from the ASC to the RA, before or after South Africa. I had used the "Long, Long Trail" website for an explanation of the service number prefixes. I must have misinterpreted their website page on regimental number letter prefixes, as I thought they were the meanings for before 1920, but perhaps they are for after 1919. The listing of mechanical transport and petroleum further down the page should have been a clue!

At what level of unit would the ASC have been attached, and is there any way to determine in what South African battles or geographical locations Frank would have served? I suspect his service record was destroyed in WWII bombing.

Great website... once I get more time I'm going to have to dip into various boards.

John

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Welcome to the forum.

C/3417 L/Corp. F.Howard is listed on the Medal Roll but not in the 60th. He is listed in the Army Service Corps. The "C" stands for Commissariat Department.

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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptySun Feb 06, 2011 4:58 pm

Hi John

This is a clearer image of the columns on the Medal Roll.

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As you will now see that the Yes is under the Column that states Medal Without Clasp, Which means that Frank did not cross the Border into Zululand. That also means that he did not take part in any battles of the Zulu War but he served in Natal during the War.

The word Serving means that when the roll was written, Frank was still serving with the ASC.

I hope this helps a little.
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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptySun Feb 06, 2011 5:13 pm

Hi John

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As you can now see that the Roll was written in Nov 1880, so Frank was still serving with the ASC then.

You can also see what the X means

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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptyTue Feb 08, 2011 3:04 am

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Hi FJH

The "C" stands for Commissariat Department.

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I've since found Frank's service record, and at times his service number was prefixed with an "S", not a "C". Could you tell me what that would indicate? Also, is there a site that has a list of the more common meanings of SN prefixes?

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PostSubject: Re: L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard   L/Cpl Frank Joseph Howard EmptyTue Feb 08, 2011 7:30 pm

Hi FJH

You state that you have found Frank's service record, would it be possible for you to publish it?

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1879graves wrote:
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You state that you have found Frank's service record, would it be possible for you to publish it?


Eventually, yes, but I've received it from someone with a subscription to a particular genealogy site, and I don't feel comfortable sharing it until I get a subscription there and access the records myself. I'll also have to read their agreement and see what their caveats are on publishing.
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