WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Quote: Lieutenant John Chard The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
Captain David Moriarity, 80th, KIA Ntombe
This photograph taken when he was in the 7th Regiment prior to his transfer to the 80th. [Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
The Battle of Isandlwana: One of The Worst Defeats of The British Empire - Military History
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
Frank Allewell
 
ADMIN
 
rusteze
 
1879graves
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
John
 
Mr M. Cooper
 
impi
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
rusteze
 
John Young
 
Frank Allewell
 
SRB1965
 
90th
 
ymob
 
Julian Whybra
 
aussie inkosi
 
ArendH
 
barry
 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share | 
 

 Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?

Go down 
AuthorMessage
old historian2

avatar

Posts : 1096
Join date : 2009-01-14
Location : East London

PostSubject: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:18 pm

Gents I was having a telephone conversation with an old friend and as normal got talking about the Zulu War. He tell’s me he once read in a book of which he has forgotten the title, regarding the fight at Sihayo Stronghold. He say's that after the fight a detachment was left there to repair the roads, and they did not Laager or fortify there position in anyway as Chelmsford said it wasn’t worth it. He also says that the soldiers were told that if they are attacked they were to use their Bayonets.

And! While on the way to Isandlwana from Rorkes Drift a detachment was left with the waggons due to the slow progress because of the wet terrain. Again this detachment was forced to stay out over night and again not laagered or fortify. If this is the case it doe’s show that Chelmsford had a total disregard for his own standing orders and his men and not just at Isandlwana.

As anyone heard of this, if so which book is it. Thanks In advance....
Back to top Go down
John

avatar

Posts : 2548
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 56
Location : UK

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:45 pm

Not heard this one Old.H. Idea
Back to top Go down
Chard1879

avatar

Posts : 1261
Join date : 2010-04-12

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:07 pm

Old H. Yes. I too have read this. And like your friend, forgotten the title of the Book, Which will now bug me until I find it. So if anyone else knows the title please let us know...
Back to top Go down
impi

avatar

Posts : 2308
Join date : 2010-07-02
Age : 38

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:16 pm

I would be very interested if this was the case... Can't say I have heard of it.
Back to top Go down
littlehand

avatar

Posts : 7059
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 50
Location : Down South.

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:32 pm

"The first step in advance from Rorke's Drift was to push forward four companies of the 2/24th Regiment, a battalion of Natal Native Contingent, and a detachment of Natal Native Pioneers into the Bashi Valley on the 14th January, for the purpose of repairing the road. This detachment remained encamped there until the 20th, five miles from the remainder of the column at Rorke's Drift, and with no attempt at " laager " or other defence, Lord Chelmsford did not see the need of precaution, and his instructions to the officer in command were, " Use the bayonet " if a night attack took place."

"On the 17th the General made a reconnaissance as far as Isandhlwana ; and on January 20th No, 3 Column moved from Korke's Drift and Bashi Valley, to the spot selected for the camp to the east of Isandhlwana Hill, The post at Korke's Drift (where the Buffalo was crossed) of vital importance to the safety of the column- was left with a garrison of one company of l-24th Regiment, but without any attempt whatever at entrenchment : nor were any defensive precautions taken at Helpmakaar, the store dep6t in Natal, twelve miles from Rorke's Drift. The march to Isandhlwana was accomplished " without much difficulty," but " half a battalion 2-2 4th was obliged to halt short of this camp owing to the oxen being fatigued." They bivouacked for the night in the open."

Source: HISTORY OF THE ZULU WAR AND ITS ORIGIN: Frances E.Colenso.
Back to top Go down
Chard1879

avatar

Posts : 1261
Join date : 2010-04-12

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:50 pm

Littlehand your a star.... But is it true...???
Back to top Go down
Mr Greaves

avatar

Posts : 748
Join date : 2009-10-18

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:59 pm

Quote :
Lord Chelmsford did not see the need of precaution, and his instructions to the officer in command were, " Use the bayonet " if a night attack took place."
Who was the Officer left in commard?
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 7039
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 71
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:49 am

The detachment repairing the road and creating a crossing point of the Batshe was Major Dunbar. He was ordered to camp on the East Bank and construct a fortified base by Lord Chelmsford. Site conditions were such that he couldnt comply and was forced to rely of outlaying pickets at night. He asked permission from Chelmsford to move to the near bank and was then infamously accused of cowadice by Crealock. Dunbar resigned his commision on the spot and was only placated by Chelmsford after a few days.
So the lack of a lager was force of circumstance and not due to Chelmsford.

The last unit of the 24th to join the column had force marched to join the balance of the regiment, they couldnt get to the camp before dark as the drift waas blocked by a wagon train and camped close to the Manzimyana at a deserted Kraal, reported as a good defensive spot, and guarded by a company of the 1/24th under Mostyn, Daly and Anstey., F company.

Regards
Back to top Go down
90th

avatar

Posts : 9878
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 62
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: Another two cases of not Laagering before Isandlwana .   Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:26 am

Hi Chard1879 / Impi .
This has been posted by me Previously I think it's in the Locked Topic on '' Whose to blame for Isandlwana '' or a thread with words to that effect . Springbok has it correct , the officer was Dunbar , Chelmsford and his staff visited this exposed camp on the 16th Jan .
Dunbar made his reservations known ; Crealock dismissed them in pointlessly offensive terms . Crealock snapped '' If Maj Dunbar
was afraid to stay there , we could send someone who wasnt '' Insulted Dunbar walked off and resigned his commission on the spot .
Chelmesford attempted to smooth things over as best he could and persuaded him to retract for the time being . This is from '' Zulu
Isandlwana & Rorke's Drift 22-23 January 1879 by Ian Knight .
cheers 90th. Idea
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?   

Back to top Go down
 
Another two case's of not Laagering and before Isandlwana. Maybe?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: