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PostSubject: Unidentified Zulu   Fri May 13, 2011 9:01 pm

Hi All

Can anyone identify this Zulu?

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PostSubject: unidentified zulu   Sat May 14, 2011 3:03 am

Hi 1879Graves.
Fairly certain I've seen this advertised on ebay as being Cetewayo but just as certain it isnt !.
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 14, 2011 4:52 pm

Hi 90th

You are correct on both counts, on Ebay at the moment as Cetewayo.

Hence the reason for my question :lol!:

Hopefully one of the members can identify him Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Graves 1879,

He is Mkhosana kaZanqana, King Cetshwayo's adviser, who shared the King's imprisonment at Cape Castle and accompanied him to the UK. He is also seen in the background of the photograph of King Cetshwayo taken in Cape Town, where the King is standing beisde a cannon.

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 14, 2011 6:16 pm

Can't think of his name. But I think he was something to do with the Zulu rebellion of 1906,
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 14, 2011 8:38 pm

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These two Zulu indunas accompanied Cetshwayo into captivity at Capetown, and are two of the three indunas who went to London with the King in 1882. The London photographer Bassano has mixed up the names of the two indunas. The one on the left is actually Umkosana (Mkhosana-the induna on the left in the famous cannon photo of the king at Cape Castle))and the one on the right is Ngcongewana (Jeff Guy, The Destruction of the Zulu Kingdom, 2nd photo plate after page 152 as Ngcongewana; John Laband, Rope of Sand, photo plate S2 as Ndabankulu).

This said: I do not believe the photo on ebay of the induna is Mkhosana.
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PostSubject: unidentified zulu   Wed May 18, 2011 4:09 am

Hi all.
What the .......................... :lol!: .

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250816496133

Hard to believe , especially when we may not be 100 % sure of this man's identity . scratch .
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Wed May 18, 2011 10:25 pm

The seller states "Annotation on reverse Huluhulu Umteto"

If we then google "Huluhulu Umteto" we get a link to a Kafir-English dictionary..

http://www.archive.org/stream/kafirenglishdict00kroprich/kafirenglishdict00kroprich_djvu.txt

Anyone care to translate what "Huluhulu Umteto" means??
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 21, 2011 11:21 am

£650 quid. Outrageous. It wasn't even him.
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sat May 21, 2011 12:15 pm

Hi Chelmsfordthescapegoat

£650.00 now suggests that the winning bidder knows something about this photograph that we do not know. They may know who it is?

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Sun May 22, 2011 7:28 pm

Didn't think of it like that 1879Graves.
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PostSubject: unidentified zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 1:02 am

Hi all.
I'm with 1879Graves , the buyer spent 650 quid on his own . He wasnt goaded into it , so it cant be construed as outrageous !!.
He most likely knows something that others dont . I thought about it but it was a long way out of my price expectation !! scratch .
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 1:13 pm

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He wasnt goaded into it
It was advertised at the person being Cetshwayo kaMpande. Lets just hope the buyer doe's know someting we don't.
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 2:03 pm

I am sure I've seen that picture somewhere before.

I used to following to see if it's been online before, but there no matches..

http://www.tineye.com/search/a2eea386150b514ac209937138d0ffa24b582f44/

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 3:08 pm

I still think he was something to do with the Zulu rebellion of 1906.

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 4:29 pm

Zulu Induna Ugebula
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Mon May 23, 2011 6:16 pm

Hi spingbok9

Thanks for the information.

Do you know who Zulu Induna Ugebula was?

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Tue May 24, 2011 7:29 am

He was one of the senior indunas sent to listen to the ultimation.

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Tue May 24, 2011 8:04 am

There's is nothing on the web relating to this man. I have tried every search method I know. Are we sure the name is spelled correctly. As anyone got a list of the names of those Zulu's who were present at the reading.
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Tue May 24, 2011 11:02 am

Littlehand
Sorry I missidentified him, it could very easily be Vumandaba kaNtati commander of the uKhandempemvu. Sorry about that ( even the perfect have of days )

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PostSubject: unidentified zulu   Wed May 25, 2011 10:23 am

Hi Springbok.
He certainly does look like Vumandaba kaNthathi . Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Wed May 25, 2011 10:55 am

What threw me for a while was that the photo was supposedly taken in the UK. Heres a thought though, maybe the photo was taken in zululand at the 50th anniversary. There were a lot taken then, with a lot of the warriors showing respect and dressing in their finery for the occasion. It was a big deal for them.

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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Wed May 25, 2011 7:35 pm

The unidentified Zulu that was on ebay was in cabinet photograph format meaning the photograph was glued onto a standard 4.5" x 6.25" mount. This format was in its most popular heyday from the 1880s-1910. The latest cabinet photograph that I have ever seen dated to 1914 after which this format was replaced by various size studio photographs. So this unidentified Zulu cabinet photograph would not be from the 50th anniversary of the Zulu War in 1929 as cabinet photographs had been obsolete for 15 years or so.

old historian2: As you seem to recall having come across this unidentified Zulu relating to the 1906 Natal Rebellion, perhaps you are thinking of Sigananada, a rebel induna, who was very old at the time of the rebellion and in the below photograph had been captured by Natal forces. There seems to be a similarity in visage, but I doubt Sigananada ever made it to Russell & Sons of Baker Street to be photographed.
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PostSubject: Re: Unidentified Zulu   Wed May 25, 2011 8:37 pm

Thanks Springbok. I thought that was the case.
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