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PostSubject: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:03 pm

This topic has been deleted. Please note personal attacks will not be tolerated.
This site has been set up to allow members to have friendly discussions in connection with the Anglo Zulu War.

DTSG. I don't think it is necessary for you in particular, to bring Col: Mike Snook into your discussions. which you seemed to have a habit of doing.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:36 pm

Totally agree with thread deletion. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:03 am

I accept the deletion about the Col.
I really do not want to get into a discussion about his book.
I wanted to ask about whether or not there is any new avenue of research open into the AZW.
Most of us obviously have our opinions about what happened and these have been much discussed.
It seems to me that all the primary sources are out there.
There does not appear to be any new diaries or maps or reports still undiscovered.
Archeology seems to be unhelpful
There is a book on espionage in the AZW which I think is a topic that has not been covered in the past.
Are there any other such "angles" for new research?
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:30 pm

Hi,
I personally think there's probably a lot more to discover in many aspects about the Zulu War. Looking forward to future books about the battle of Hlobane.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:30 pm

I agree. But I think nothing else can be written about Isandlwana that we don't already know. Unless Crealocks Diary was found,
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:30 am

Remains were found last year, and identified.
So look at a couple of what ifs.
What if Pulleins body was found?
What if substantial remains were found on the ridge?
What if an officers buttons were found on the trail?

Wnen Twots was published it was regarded as the definitive work answering all questions, we now know thats not true. Slow chipping away of fact from fiction, small pieces in the puzzle. Still lots of questions still to be asked.

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:03 am

With regards to the "Button" that was found. The owner of that button as not been identified as yet. Bit lost on what if an officers button was found on the trail. It was mostly officers that fled via the trail.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:50 am

Im pretty sure that the owner of the buttom has been identified.

As to finding a button on the trail, it could point to Smiths Grave. Also there have been one or two references to an officer on a white horse, never really identified.

My point being that the battlefields still have more secrets to reveal, possibly?
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:27 am

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:41 am

Thank you CTSG.
Says it all really, theres very little doubt who it is.

Again the point being that there is still lots to think and talk and argue about

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:48 pm

AMAFA were wrongly criticised for their part in not doing what some of the Brits would have liked them do to. (Be it not really nothing to do with the Brits) to be honest if we never found out whom the soldier was I wouldn’t blame AMAFA in the slightest.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:21 pm

They got a raw deal from some rather insignificant people puffed up with there own importance............have a feeling thats going to get me into trouble.

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:30 pm

Interesting last post. Doe's the British have an opinion on how the Anglo Zulu War Battlefields are care for. Or is it really nothing to do with them. The photo's I have seen of Isandlwana tells me they are well looked after and respected. We may hear of the odd bit of damage, but no more that we get back home. Do the British contribute directly into the up keep or indirectly through donations ect.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:30 pm

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Do the British contribute directly into the up keep or indirectly through donations ect.

Ken. Would be the best person to answer this.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:04 am

AMAFA. What doe's it stand for.
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:40 am

Hi
Regarding Isandlwana, I will never get tired on reading books about the battle. Although, as I've said before in my earlier post, Hlobane remains my favourite. As long as great authors like, Ian Knight, Ron Lock & Peter Quantrill, also Mike Snook, who incidentley captivated the closing stages of Isandlwana superbly, continue to write about this fascinating subject, then I will continue to purchase their work. It's their writing style that draw's you in, and lets you into another world. That's their talent, and also, it keeps this extremely exciting subject alive & kicking for our generation, and the next. Rock on!!!
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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:17 am

24th,

Amafa is Zulu for bequest; inheritance; legacy.

The full name is Amafa aKwaZulu Natalai.

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:49 pm

AMAFA is Heritage

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PostSubject: Re: IS there any thing left to write about DELETED.   Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:21 pm

I think we South Africans do a pretty good job of preserving our battlefields thank you very much.
I see there have been incidents of vandalization of war graves in Normandy and the Somme yet you do not get prophets of doom going on about how things are going to the dogs.
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