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90th We are talking Isandlwana (F) Location. doesn't really matter what other battles fired or didn't or how long they took to fire.
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Rates of fire, supply of ammunition! All means very little really when there is indications on three seperate maps ( Mainwaring, Anstey and Norris Newman) all agree that there was a major firing line with a lot of expended cartridge cases. No more than a couple of yeasr ago, while researching HCMDB Mike Snook took up a firing position nestled into the rocks to get a feeling of the fight, he dislodged a rock and saw 6 empty cases. I have two I found in the same position, unfortunatly the photo is a little blurred.
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They are still there.

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Springbok. I think your find, Snook found them near a boulder on the slopes of the Devil's pass Hlobane, Neil was with him, and there are photo's somewhere on the forum!
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John I was attempiting to answer Littlehands post from yesterday ! . No 
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But it's not relevant to the question!  (F) location Isandlwana and empty cartridges is?
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Hi John
No, that was a separate occasion that Neil located some casings.

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On the reference table (I) who would have been in that area? Cains  
Some may need a magnifying glass.

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13-11-1879,Photographed at the Intelligence Branch,
Quarter Master General's Dept. July 1880. i have an
original copy as some know, but i'm afraid it is to big
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The cains you speak of LH. Isn't that where Roberts was supposedly killed by British artillery?
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Littlehand,

The two cannon of N/5 were positioned at point H, according to the Mainwaring map and were shelling the Zulu at the 'kraal' at point I.  I presume this was the location of the 'friendly fire' incident involving Roberts of No. 2 Troop, Zikhali's Horse.

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There are three cairns: one in front of the mountain in front of the letter 'F'; another to the right of the letter 'E' and one to the left of 'C'.

Here's the map's legend - like Les I have one too.

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Does anyone have a clearer map! Or as clear as JY images.
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Will this do?

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If you follow the link it is rather large!

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That will do nicely. Thanks John!
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Isandlwana, Last Stands - Page 22 EmptyMon Jul 21, 2014 8:11 am

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The point 'I' on the Mainwaring map is below the ridge in more or less the same position as the present day church. In the Biography of Rev Smith by Canon Lumis it is mentioned the amount of bodies they had to move away to establish their campsite. The position of the Roberts issue is wide open to speculation. There were other kraals on the heights, two of which are mentioned in the Zulu statements.

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If someone was walking away from Isandlwana. Which direction would they be walking. If they could see the whole of Isandlwana in the form of a lion behind them. Would it be towards location (I)
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LH Due East, more down towards point 'G' and beyond.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Isandlwana, Last Stands - Page 22 EmptyMon Jul 21, 2014 3:17 pm

Just seeing how high the dpi will go!

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Isandlwana, Last Stands - Page 22 EmptyMon Jul 21, 2014 3:17 pm

so thats at 4000 dpi.
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xhosa2000 wrote:
so thats at 4000 dpi.

It opened instantly and I could read where it said "very broken ground" pretty clearly.
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Springbok, would that be in the direction of the place we are discussing off line?
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Exactly the place.

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Does anyone know if the stone wall was in place during the Battle 1879. If not a wall, what could it have been? Information appricated.
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LH
There are a couple of possibilities
Attached is a photo of the Colonial graves, you can see a section of wall to the left.
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Alternatly there are a number of erosion barriers on the site
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There is somewhere a reference to a wall built by the engineers but I think that position refered to is on the saddle.

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I just happen to open this page and after reading trooper Granger testimony he mentions of fighting behind a cattle kraal below blacks koppie it is on Mainwaring map positioned beside the Kraal the above photo looks like a modern wall but it is located close to the one Trooper Granger made his short stand from before he made escape.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Isandlwana, Last Stands - Page 22 EmptyMon Apr 22, 2019 9:54 am

The exact location of Granger's stone wall (kraal) is given by a contemporary map and photos of its remains on pp. 70-1 of my Granger Essay in Studies in the Zulu War Vol. V.  Littlehand's photo has no date that it was taken (though clearly a colour photo must be fairly modern).  Frank is the best person to answer inkosi's question as he walked the ground and took the photos of the remains of the ruined kraal for the Granger essay.  He would know immediately if it was the same location.
Certainly, Littlehand, I would be interested to learn your photo's date.


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im pretty sure thats a Gabion, built to stop erosion just below the Colonial graves. The 'Grainger ' wall is some 200 metre to the South on the other side of the road.

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See, inkosi? I knew Frank was your man!
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I DID SAY IT WAS A MODERN WALL
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Well, you said it 'looks like a modern wall' but rightly made the link to Granger. It is good to clear up that the two are unrelated and not to be confused.
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Frank Allewell wrote:
LH
There are a couple of possibilities
Attached is a photo of the Colonial graves, you can see a section of wall to the left.
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Alternatly there are a number of erosion barriers on the site
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There is somewhere a reference to a wall built by the engineers but I think that position refered to is on the saddle.

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Bonjour,
Just for information:
Burial party (1880): Lieut. O' Connell, 60th Rifles.
"A trench was dug on the upper side of the place where the Carbineers were buried, and a small wall made along the side of the trench to prevent the earth falling into it and filling it up again. This will prevent the water running down the hill and washing the earth of these graves".
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Fred there is a structure matching your description, Ive sent you a photo, if your able possibly you could post it.
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Frank's photo.

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Bonjour Steve,
Thank you very much.
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