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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:23 am

90th We are talking Isandlwana (F) Location. doesn't really matter what other battles fired or didn't or how long they took to fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:49 am

Rates of fire, supply of ammunition! All means very little really when there is indications on three seperate maps ( Mainwaring, Anstey and Norris Newman) all agree that there was a major firing line with a lot of expended cartridge cases. No more than a couple of yeasr ago, while researching HCMDB Mike Snook took up a firing position nestled into the rocks to get a feeling of the fight, he dislodged a rock and saw 6 empty cases. I have two I found in the same position, unfortunatly the photo is a little blurred.
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They are still there.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:15 am

Springbok. I think your find, Snook found them near a boulder on the slopes of the Devil's pass Hlobane, Neil was with him, and there are photo's somewhere on the forum!
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PostSubject: Isandlwana ; Last stands    Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:19 am

John I was attempiting to answer Littlehands post from yesterday ! . No 
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:25 am

But it's not relevant to the question!  (F) location Isandlwana and empty cartridges is?
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:50 am

Hi John
No, that was a separate occasion that Neil located some casings.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:37 pm

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On the reference table (I) who would have been in that area? Cains  
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:58 pm

13-11-1879,Photographed at the Intelligence Branch,
Quarter Master General's Dept. July 1880. i have an
original copy as some know, but i'm afraid it is to big
to get under my home scanner. shame as the image
would be crystal clear. well done littlehand..always
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:13 pm

The cains you speak of LH. Isn't that where Roberts was supposedly killed by British artillery?
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:16 pm

Littlehand,

The two cannon of N/5 were positioned at point H, according to the Mainwaring map and were shelling the Zulu at the 'kraal' at point I.  I presume this was the location of the 'friendly fire' incident involving Roberts of No. 2 Troop, Zikhali's Horse.

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There are three cairns: one in front of the mountain in front of the letter 'F'; another to the right of the letter 'E' and one to the left of 'C'.

Here's the map's legend - like Les I have one too.

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The Legend of Lt. Mainwaring's Map.


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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:13 pm

Does anyone have a clearer map! Or as clear as JY images.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:16 pm

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Will this do?

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If you follow the link it is rather large!

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:24 pm

That will do nicely. Thanks John!
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:11 am

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The point 'I' on the Mainwaring map is below the ridge in more or less the same position as the present day church. In the Biography of Rev Smith by Canon Lumis it is mentioned the amount of bodies they had to move away to establish their campsite. The position of the Roberts issue is wide open to speculation. There were other kraals on the heights, two of which are mentioned in the Zulu statements.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:13 am

If someone was walking away from Isandlwana. Which direction would they be walking. If they could see the whole of Isandlwana in the form of a lion behind them. Would it be towards location (I)
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:23 am

LH Due East, more down towards point 'G' and beyond.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:17 pm

Just seeing how high the dpi will go!

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:17 pm

so thats at 4000 dpi.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:16 pm

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so thats at 4000 dpi.

It opened instantly and I could read where it said "very broken ground" pretty clearly.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:08 pm

Springbok, would that be in the direction of the place we are discussing off line?
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:22 am

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Exactly the place.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:50 pm

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Does anyone know if the stone wall was in place during the Battle 1879. If not a wall, what could it have been? Information appricated.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana, Last Stands   Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:25 am

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There are a couple of possibilities
Attached is a photo of the Colonial graves, you can see a section of wall to the left.
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There is somewhere a reference to a wall built by the engineers but I think that position refered to is on the saddle.

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