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PostSubject: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:59 pm

Just a suggestion.

Would it be of interest, if we complied A group of photographs of those that survived the Battle of Isandlwana. We have always said it's good to put a face to a name. May take sometime. But I'm sure we could do it between us.

Littlehands post of Clarke of the NMP gave me he idea.
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PostSubject: photos of Isandlawana survivors   Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:03 am

Hi Sas1,
A grand idea.
I probably will be able to give pics of most NMP survivors and a more chronologically correct one of Tpr Clarke .


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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:06 pm

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"Herewith an Isandlwana survivor's picture. The first of a number, which I plan on sending.
The dating of the photo is probably in the period 1922-26. The three men in civvies on the left, two of whom are wearing their battle ribbons and medals, are probably Troopers Shannon, Sparks and Doig. This id however is not certain and I would be happy for anyone who can firm up on the id, to make contact.
The uniformed officer on the right is Col Clarke late cc NP, in his retirement, aged in 1924, 64years.
The event and scene is an annual Isandlwana commemoration. In the background of the picture can be seen the slopes of the mountain".


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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:38 pm

The clean-shaved man, second from the right, is Charles Montague Sparks.

I'll check on the identities of the others when I get home.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:44 pm

"In the book "The Glamour and Tragedy of the Zulu War" by WH Clements, Trooper Charles Montague Sparks tells how he met Kincade sitting on the bank of a river after the Isandlwana Battle with his field boots in hand. He asked Kincade if he did not realise the danger he was in from the Zulus who were in hot pursuit. Kincade's replies were incoherent as if he either did not know or realise his peril or was dazed from the fight for his life in the river, where he too had lost his horse. Kincade then found a horse in the neighbourhood that had managed to swim across and land on the bank minus its rider. Sparks and Kincade then mounted horses and rode as fast as possible to the town of Helpmekaar"

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PostSubject: Id of isandhlawana survivors   Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:06 pm

Thanks kwajimu1879 and admin.
The pic is not marked with names so I had a stab at possibilties, and so far 1/3 correct. Keep going :)

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:36 pm

Barry, thanks for the photo's. Col: Clarke. What uniform is he wearing and do you have any information regarding his medals. He has quite a few there.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:48 pm

The chap on the left is Quartermaster Dugald MacPhail, Buffalo Border Guard, he buried at Talana Cemetery, kwaZulu-Natal.

Just got to find the other one's name!

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PostSubject: Col Clarke   Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:00 pm

Hi Littlehand,

The Col's uniform in the picture was that of the 2nd Regmt SAMR, of which unit he was OC after leaving the NP.
The two additional medals not mentioned in Brett Hendey's earlier post elsewhere in the forum are the OBE and the Star of St Stanislas (tie position). These two , as well as a second mention in despatches were awarded by Gen Ironsides, and signed by Winston Churchill whilst seeing action in a covert British Intelligence mission in Russia in 1918/19.
The first mention in despatches was awarded by South Africa's General Botha as a result of the 2nd SAMR's sucessful action in South West Africa in 1914/15.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:35 pm

Cheers Barry. Awarded by Winston Churchill. I wonder if there is anything on this on the the web. ( I have a look ) one more question, what happen to his medals.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:44 pm

Hello Barry. Firstly thank you for sharing the photo's. am I right in thinking the photo was taken at Isandlwana. If yes have you got any information on the visit by these survivors.

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PostSubject: isandhlwana survivor pictures   Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:25 am


Hi Elizabeth and Littlehand,

Yes, the picture was taken at an Isandhlwana memorial day in the early '20's, at Isandhlwana. I have no immediate knowledge as to the circumstances of the attendance of the the survivors there, but I will check to see if there is a mention in the diaries. I will revert on this Elizabeth.
I have framed copies of the two "mention in despatches" and they are listed in the official WO records . The medals are also in the possesion of the family.

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PostSubject: Isandlwana Survivors    Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:55 am

Hi Barry .
Thank you very much for sharing your photo's and attempting to identify those involved . Well done .
Kwajimu .
Also thanks for helping to Identify those unknown in the photo . Great job , both of you .
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:31 pm

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PostSubject: Who qualifies as a survivor, a quick poll   Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:40 pm

Hi All,

I am busy collecting pictures of survivors of the battles., but am not sure who to post. Let me know your opinion/s ;

1) firstly, do you want to see survivors of both RD and Isandlwana ?
2) Is a survivor anyone who came through those theatres of war, on those battlefields, on those day/s, or, only
those who manned the parapets at RD and also those who deserted, fleeing the Isandlwana and surrounding
battleground in terror ?.

The second question really focuses on Chelmsford, Dartnell and their column out probing for the enemy.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:19 pm

Hi Barry.
I think it should be those that were actually on the Battle field at Isandlwana but managed to escape.
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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:22 am

Barry

I think that all your pictures are worth posting under separate headings, e.g. RD, Dartnell patrol etc.

Your posts on this forum are much appreciated by me and I look forward to them.

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PostSubject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's    Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:57 am

Barry
Macphail was at a gathering at isandlwana in the 30s. Looking at the photos taken then he seems to be wearing the same suit and waistcoat with fob watch. Medals are mounted behing the collar though not in front.
He doesnt seem to have aged in between so possibly your photo could be from the that era. The phot I refer to is in Zulu Rising opposite page 510.

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