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barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Dating of Macphail's survivor photo Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:55 am | |
| Hi springbok69,
Thanks for attempting to put a date on the pic. Elazabeth Hogan has also asked this question, so following up I did some checking on all the Col's diary entries from 1922 through to 1928, when the diaries ended, but cannot find any entries about Isandhlawana commemorations in that period . Indeed his activities on those anniveraries were such that he could not be there even if there were celebrations. Then it occurred to me that 1929 was the 50 year anniversary of the battle, and judging by the Col's ageing, he does appear to be 69 years of age in that pic. So your guess at 1930, is very close. So much for the powers of deduction
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90th
Posts : 10881 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Isandlwana Survivors Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:32 am | |
| Hi Barry. I agree with Brett , I'd like you to post all of what you can . I've started to collect photos also . cheers 90th. |
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:37 am | |
| 90th Should I post a photo of the Aussie cricket team? :lol!:
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:48 am | |
| I was just glancing through "Rope of Sand" looking for other info when I saw a photo of John Dunn in 1882, looks a lot like the man standing next to Macphail, a hang of a lot. Just after page 368, photo 51.
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barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: John Dunn Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:40 pm | |
| Hi Zelda, Please could you look at that picture of the 4 Isandhlwana survivors and tell us if John Dunn is amongst them.
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barry
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| Ive looked at a few more shots of Dunn, its close.
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:07 pm | |
| Sorry folks, senile moment, John Dunn died in 1895.
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90th
Posts : 10881 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Isandlwana Survivors Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:23 am | |
| Hi Springbok . In reply to your question directed to me which you posted 22 / 11 / 11 . :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: . I will say Winners are Grinners and losers can please themselves !. :lol: :lol: . I'm glad you have a thick skin !. You do , dont you ???. :) :) cheers 90th.
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:10 am | |
| 90th So bloody thick its unsafe. :lol!: Should have been a thitd match.
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90th
Posts : 10881 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Isandlwana Survivors Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:37 am | |
| Springbok. Agreed . cheers 90th. |
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Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:20 pm | |
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xhosa2000
Posts : 1183 Join date : 2015-11-24
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:48 pm | |
| Nice one ctsg, great image of the old Q.M. |
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:41 am | |
| Barry Can I ask where did you find the photo of the foursome? Is it in the Campbell collections?? And does it have an accession number? |
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barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Survivoir photo Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:03 am | |
| Hi Julian, Nice to hear from you. In repjy; That picture of the four comes from an original print sourced from the "Clarke Papers" in my possession. I have no knowledge of copies anywhere else. I will gladly email you a copy if so desired.
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:35 pm | |
| Thanks Barry, good to hear from you too. And thanks for the offer to send the photo. No need to do so but just one or two more questions...Your reply above can be read in two ways. Is it the original print or is it the Clarke Papers that are in your possession? Or is it both? If the Clarke Papers are not in your possession, where are they? |
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barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Photo of the four Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:43 pm | |
| Hi Julian, In reply; The image posted by me was copied from a black and white photo print which is part of the "Clarke Papers"., ie the negative is not there, but would be found with the photographer. The Clarke papers are held by the Clarke family. They are not in the public domain. However there are other aspects of Clarke's work which are, ie a) in the Nongai, The Natal Police Magazine. Articles on 1) a serialised history of the Natal Mounted Police; 2)The Royal visit by the ex Empress of the French. b) A History of the Natal Mounted Police; Holt, 1906 ( this book was based on Clarke's dairies) c) Killiie Campbell Museum ; My Career in South Africa by Col Clarke ( this is a very much abridged version of the diaries ) d) A Short History of the Natal Mounted Police by Inspector Clarke, 1893. ( this small booklet is very rare and only one other copy exists, that I know about.
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:48 am | |
| Barry Many thanks for your clear and full explanation. I'm glad the Papers are in safe hands. Roy Dutton must have sourced the photo from elsewhere if not from you. |
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:47 pm | |
| The man pictured second from left is definitely Trpr. Thomas Henry Cunningham, Newcastle Mounted Rifles who was on Chelmsford's Reconnaissance on the Mangeni. A comparison with a family photo shows it was him. |
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barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Source, survivor photo Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:33 am | |
| Hi Julian, Dutton did not source a copy of the pic from me. I did however post it on the AZW forum some years ago. In doing so I would have trusted that the rules applying to use of it for educational purposes only, would apply.
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:56 pm | |
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gardner1879
Posts : 3458 Join date : 2021-01-04
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:30 pm | |
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:08 pm | |
| Hi Can I ask what does the text in the caption underneath say? |
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:19 pm | |
| And where on earth did you unearth this sketch? |
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gardner1879
Posts : 3458 Join date : 2021-01-04
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:26 pm | |
| Difficult to read but I think it says:- Dugald Mcphail born 26 04 1840 (Invarary Scotland) Died 4 -5-41 Dundee Natal. One of 17 who survived the battle of Isandlwana 22-01-1879. Great Grandfather of Mariella(?) who started Penny ....(?) Kate. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]encouragement inspirational poems |
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gardner1879
Posts : 3458 Join date : 2021-01-04
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:19 pm | |
| Found it here Julian [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Not much on the AZW but it does state who one of the wagons used in the perimeter defences at RD belonged to. Kate |
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:07 pm | |
| The Penny, is Pennyfarthing a Guest House near Helpmakaar |
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90th
Posts : 10881 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Isandlwana Survivor Photo's Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:23 am | |
| Hi Frank If I remember correctly the owner (?) of the Pennyfarthing Guest house passed away in the last 2 or 3 years ? , so I assume it's no longer open for business ? 90th |
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:45 am | |
| Foy Vermaak was the owner Gary, but the family is still running it. |
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:53 am | |
| Should have added that Foy's wife was descended from Dugal Mcphail, Foy himself was a long standing battlefield guide |
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Julian Whybra
Posts : 3949 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:45 am | |
| Presumably at 'Vermaaks' on the old maps? |
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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:04 pm | |
| yes Julian, Foy's family has been there numerous generations. The elusive Adams farmed on a portion of his land. |
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ADMIN
Posts : 4349 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 64 Location : KENT
| Subject: Re: Isandlwana Survivor photo's Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:06 pm | |
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