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PostSubject: Re: 24th foot 2nd Warwickshire regiment's Colours from Isandlwana   24th foot 2nd Warwickshire regiment's Colours from Isandlwana - Page 2 EmptySun Apr 21, 2013 6:47 am

Why have wanted to save a flag which the Zulus did not care? An excuse for cowards !
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Not that easily dismissable Pascal. Its a question of the mindset of the Victorian soldier, Death before Dishonour. Historically loosing the colors was a fate worse than death, as was loosing the guns and extraordinary attempts would be made to protect both. Look at the Death of Lord Kitcheners son in the attempt to rescue the guns from the boers at Colenso, suicidal, and he knew before he started.
Melvills attempt was laudible under the old regime ( and would probably be today), the only voice raised against the attempt in the immediate aftermath was Wolsleys comments on Officers leaving the field before their men. But I think in this regard Lt Col Snooks explanation is spot on. Im not to sure however if there is a case to be made for Coghill. That discussion has raged for the last 134 years and will I suspect rage for the next 134 years.

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Bonjour Monsieur

Alors la santé ,celà va ?

Yes? Actually, you entirely correct in thinking this, we will never know the truth, but I think that if the Zulus had found any flag, it would have never known his importance for the white soldiers ...

For me , If the British had known this, they may not have not been as attentive to their flags...

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French regiments were just as protective of their Eagles in the Napoleonic Wars, Pascal!

The 2nd battalion, 44th East Essex regiment captured an Eagle at Salamanca in 1812, and even today, the Essex County Cricket team is known as the Essex Eagles, and their one day strip is yellow - the same colour as the 44th's tunic facings.

The capture of a French Imperial Eagle by the fictional "South Essex Regiment" in the Sharpe novels of Bernard Cornwell is based upon the 2/44th's battle honour. The South Essex is depicted as having yellow coat facings like the 44th (East Essex). Sharpe's Waterloo again uses a historical incident involving the 44th as a backdrop for an action by the "South Essex", the back-to-back stand against French cavalry at the Battle of Quatre Bras. This was the only recorded incident of a unit receiving a cavalry charge in Line Formation. (They did not have the time to form a Square, but they made the best of it)!

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Springbok,

I think you are confusing Kitchener with Roberts regarding Colenso.

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Kwajimu
Yep I did sorry, 'Post at haste, repent at leisure ". Salute
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Wasnt there an instance at Sevastepol ?


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GOOD tASKER

Never a European army has won many wars and battles that the French army, not a European army has captured many enemy flags as the French army and the French ent does not make a dish because french cares only celebrate some military battles of the past, because there have forced

And I think MOST British aussi do not care much of the old glories of the British army, how many British citizens Have Heard of Isandhlwana and without RD cinema?

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GOOD JIM -Yes it's true, do not tell him purpose Because it's a nice man ...
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Pascal,

I was going to mention what you are inferring, but we do have some younger forum members...

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And I LEFT HEAR WHAT? Very Happy
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springbok9 wrote:

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Wasnt there an instance at Sevastepol ?


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Not to my knowledge Springy, but happy to be proved wrong! Salute
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