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PostSubject: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:51 pm

First off a big thank you to Mr David Payne and Dr Adrian Greaves for allowing me to attend the book launch at Tenderton today. Also a very big thank you to both of them for allowing me to view both of there collections.

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Curlings medal and letters, a silver goblet presented to the 24th by Melvill, a Rifle used at Isandlwana and later recaptured, Harfords knife and binoculars, a photo of Cetwayo taken in England.




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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:32 pm

DB14. Sounds like a good day. Drop Admin a PM regarding posting the photo's
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:00 pm

DB14. I have sent you a P.M Idea
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PostSubject: Book launch and collection   Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:07 pm

Hello DB14

I am very glad that you enjoyed yourself.

That must have been an emotional moment when you held the Martini-Henry, to know that one of the British soldiers had died with it in his hands, but that it had later been recovered at Kambula.

But what is this I hear about you drinking out of the silver goblet at 14 years old ?????? Shocked

I hope it was only orange juice :lol!:

Glad the day went well for you, and I hope that Admin will post your piccies.

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PostSubject: Book Launch and Collection .   Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:05 am

Hi DB14 .
Great to see you had a fantastic day and had the chance to see close up some wonderfully historic items , I for one cant wait
to see your Pictures . Shocked . Looking forward to you posting them .
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:49 pm

DB14. Where are the photo's. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:42 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:55 pm

Hi DB14

Great set of Photographs, well done mate Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:45 pm

Well Drummerboy, I will be first to admit. I really didn't think you were 14. Based on that well done for being one of the leading contributors on the forum. (Out-Standing) And I’m sure the rest of the members will agree. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:27 pm

Chelmsfordthescapegoat wrote:
Well Drummerboy, I will be first to admit. I really didn't think you were 14. Based on that well done for being one of the leading contributors on the forum. (Out-Standing) And I’m sure the rest of the members will agree. Idea

You're not the only one to think he wasn't 14.
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:41 pm

DB14 Thanks for the photo's. One day I think we will be seeing your name on the front covers of Anglo Zulu War Books or you will be a well known Zulu War Historian.

I of course knew you was 14 because you said you was.. Idea Idea Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:16 pm

Keep it up DB14 Idea
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PostSubject: Book Launch and Collection .   Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:51 pm

Hi DB14.
Well done mate , great photo's thanks for sharing them . I'm with Littlehand in regard to your age and as I said to you previously
you may go a long way in this field if you wish to . We may be watching for your book in a few years time !. Shocked
Excellent Work .
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PostSubject: Book launch and collection   Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:04 am

Hi DB14

Great pictures, it must have been awsome holding the Martini Henry that was lost at Isandlwana and recovered later at Kambula.

I agree with littlehand that one day you will be writing books and be a well known Anglo-Zulu war historian.

Well done, and keep up your excellent contributions.

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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:53 am

DB14
I am interested to see the Martini with all this provenance, did you do any other pictures of it?, If its the one I have seen before, there are certain things not quite right about it.

I'd love it to be correct, as I have recorded an 80th Foot piece, absolutely correct in pattern and markings that I can place in the right slot, but a 24th piece is the holy grail for the MH historian.


I'll explain a little more, without sounding over sceptical...I've seen too many "been here, done that" artefacts, the last one was a Martini, with a similar "label" attached, an 1878 Enfield Piece, with "100% Zulu war provenance," I explained to the owner, who paid three time the going rate for it, that 1878 would put it rather too late to be have used, as the Enfield year went March to March, he agreed to let me remove the forend, below which is the actual date of proof. The date, 2/79' oh deary me..................needless to say he was on the 'phone to the dealer rather fast.

Post 1881 (and presumably if this peice was collected after Khambula) most regimental markings were cancelled out and the new Area Codes added, secondly as a service arm, would it have had any special meaning?, unlikely, it would have been cleaned up, and put back in the arsenal, so, it should have had the upgrades of the LOC 3193 25.4.1877.




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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:00 pm

DB14, Great photos and thanks for sharing. You must have been inspired by that fantastic experience, you've seen some rare, important and emotive relics there. Keep up the interest and keep learning.

Everyone, tbh, I too was a little sceptical that DB14 was 14 years of age. His knowledge and application to the study of the AZW is exceptional As I have said on here before, this lad is going places.

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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:41 pm

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I am interested to see the Martini with all this provenance, did you do any other pictures of it?, If its the one I have seen before, there are certain things not quite right about it.

I'd love it to be correct, as I have recorded an 80th Foot piece, absolutely correct in pattern and markings that I can place in the right slot, but a 24th piece is the holy grail for the MH historian.


I'll explain a little more, without sounding over sceptical...I've seen too many "been here, done that" artefacts, the last one was a Martini, with a similar "label" attached, an 1878 Enfield Piece, with "100% Zulu war provenance," I explained to the owner, who paid three time the going rate for it, that 1878 would put it rather too late to be have used, as the Enfield year went March to March, he agreed to let me remove the forend, below which is the actual date of proof. The date, 2/79' oh deary me..................needless to say he was on the 'phone to the dealer rather fast.

Post 1881 (and presumably if this peice was collected after Khambula) most regimental markings were cancelled out and the new Area Codes added, secondly as a service arm, would it have had any special meaning?, unlikely, it would have been cleaned up, and put back in the arsenal, so, it should have had the upgrades of the LOC 3193 25.4.1877.





Neil it's for reasons like this you need to write that book mate.
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:35 pm

Thaks for the replies Idea

Cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Wed May 02, 2012 10:19 am

Neil
For what it's worth, I totally agree with you.
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Tue May 29, 2012 10:46 pm

I am sure that Adrian Greaves would not have anything to do with anything other than a genuine Martini.
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PostSubject: Re: Adrain Greaves Book Launch   Wed May 30, 2012 10:17 am

Echo that. Salute
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