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PostSubject: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 7:57 am

Hi

Can anyone tell me if the Royal Navy actually used in the battles of Nyezane and Gingindlovu its Navy . 65 in.Gatling or the Army .45 in.Gatling?

Because due to a delay of suppliy of Naval .65 in.Gatling , the Navy ad also acquired a number of Army .45 in.Gatling ...

What is certain is that Naval Brigade Gatling in Zululand where mounted on different carriages from their Army counterparts , these being narrower and minus the axes -tree box...

Please can someone show it to everyone on this forum photos or plans, or we can see the differences on all aspects between the two versions of Gatling ?

Especially the carriages of the Naval version...

Many thanks for that.

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PostSubject: Naval .65 in. Gattling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 2:09 pm

Hi Pascal

The bast man to answer this question would be P.O. Tom. He has a very good knowledge on all things Royal Navy, and has sorted out lots of enquiries about naval matters. His posts make for some very good, and very interesting reading, well detailed and very clear. I think he would be the best person to give you an answer to your question.

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PostSubject: Gatling   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 2:16 pm

I don't know if this helps. I have another period photo of a Zulu War Gatling--if interested I will post it.
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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 4:53 pm

Here's the Gatling Gun for the period created by John Jenkins that may or may not answer your question............The Lt.

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PostSubject: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 5:56 pm


Thank you to all three

We're not out of the woods with this case here ...

Commercially impossible to find a gatling in 1 / 56 scale for the Navy, for cons for the army, there are many ...

Yet for my army of miniatures for Gingindlovu, It's a vital question,Gatling of the Navy ...

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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 8:25 pm

Pascal,

I don’t know which Gatling the Naval Brigades used. Both were in use by the Navy in 1879. The “Manual of Gunnery for Her Majesty’s Fleet: 1880” includes instructions for both the 0.45 and 0.65

As you correctly stated there were two designs for the Gatling gun; the 0.45 for the Army and the 0.65 for the Navy to be used for coastal defense, and for on board ship. Due to an initial problem with delivery of the larger caliber, the Navy was issued the 12 of the 0.45 Gatling in 1875. The 0.65 guns were delivered shortly afterwards.

Differences in the Gatling:
.45, 10 barrel, 444 pounds, 4’ 11’ long, 480 grain bullet
.65, 10 barrel, 817 pounds, 5’ 6-1/2” long, 1422 grain bullet

In 1877 H.M.S. Shah’s Gatling, mounted in the foretop, cleared the gun crews of the Peruvian rebel vessel “Huascar” from the quarterdeck.

During the Zulu War, H.M.S.s “Active”, “Tenedos”, “Shah” and “Boadicea” all landed Gatling Guns with their Naval Brigades. Unfortunately, the caliber of the Gatling Guns was not mentioned in any of the reports, even though the size of cannon and rockets were given.

There is a good photo of a Gatling from “Active” that was included in a photo album belonging to Henry F. Norbury, which was auctioned about a year ago. I have a copy, but can’t (or don’t know how to) post it.

Here are a couple of links to British manuals on the Gatling:

“Handbook for the 0 .45 inch Gatling Gun for Naval Service” (1880)

http://books.google.ca/books?id=pQgHAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

“Treatise on the Construction and Manufacture of Ordnance in the British Service” (1879)
Gatling Guns are discussed, starting on page 376, with a diagram of a 0.45 Gatling Gun on page 383.

http://books.google.com/books?id=S1UBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=treatise+on+the+construction+and+manufacture+of+ordnance+in+the+british+service&hl=en&ei=e-PkTrP3KorC2wWtreDTBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=machine%20guns%20&f=false

I hope these references will provide the information that you are looking for.


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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Working Gatling Gun
Scale: 1:2 (.22 Cal.), Built by Pamela Weiss
This working replica of a 10-barrel Gatling gun was built from plans available in many model engineering magazines. It took about 2000 hours and a variety of machining, welding and woodworking skills to build all the parts. It fires .22 long rifle bullets at up to 600 rounds per minute if you can crank the handle fast enough. About 300 rounds have been test fired through it.

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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 8:45 pm

Build your own. Idea

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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 10:21 pm

Pascal,

Maybe this will clear things up. I found the following on the National Maritime Museum's website.

“The Gatling gun consists of ten barrels which revolve round a central axis. The centre fire cartridges are fed into the gun from a magazine mounted on top which holds 240 rounds. The barrels are rotated manually by a hand crank at the rear of the gun - turning the crank forward rotates the entire barrel and lock unit. Each barrel is fired as it reaches the lower right hand position. The calibre is 0.65in. The gun is mounted on a naval cone mounting. The Royal Navy adopted the Gatling gun in 1871 and it was used from the 1870s for coast defence work, by the Naval Brigades and mounted in the tops of ships. The Gatling was manufactured under license by W Armstrong & Co. It was used during the Zulu War of 1879 and the Egypt Campaigns of 1882-1889.” (Source: National Maritime Museum)


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PostSubject: Gatling guns in zululand    Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptySun Dec 11, 2011 10:22 pm

Hi John .
Good one , I'd like to have a go at that one !. I think if anyone can clear this up for Pascal it will be Neil Aspinshaw .
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PostSubject: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptyMon Dec 12, 2011 7:47 am


Hi, congratulations and thank you all for the documentation ...

So if I understand the main difference is the difference in tube length between the two models of machine guns ...

But there are also differences in appearance and size between the munitions loaders ...

I feel that I will enjoy myself next year when I will make to frame my 91st Foot in Gingindlovu ...

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PostSubject: Re: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptyMon Dec 12, 2011 12:26 pm

Here is Gatling No74, manufactured by the Armstrong Company in 1874. It chambers .450 Garner Gatling round (Not M-H), search the link on this forum for dimensional differences.
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PostSubject: Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand   Naval .65 in.Gatling in Zululand EmptyMon Dec 12, 2011 5:11 pm


good evening

Gentlemen thank you for all this documentation, it will inevitably serve me in the future ...

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