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PostSubject: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptyThu Feb 23, 2012 7:23 am

Hi all

Well, well, how our days are perceived by the British people, British colonial wars and especially the Zulu war ?

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Feb 25, 2012 7:29 am

Hi all

Well no one has an opinion, so I guess that in Britain, the colonial wars are considered like a shame, as in France and in Zululand ...

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 2:13 pm

Except on this forum, of course LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 4:10 pm

Pascal,

I would say that the average British man or woman in street would not have any opinion on the subject whatsoever.

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 4:28 pm

There's a massive difference between, being interested in the colonial wars and agreeing with them. But you do have a lot to say about the British which sometimes borders on offensive.


Jim wrote:
I would say that the average British man or woman in street would not have any opinion on the subject whatsoever.

Totally agree!!!
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Jimmy

Except when he learned the horror of January 22, maybe?

The Opposition to the Prime Minister, have used the mob to harm him?

But what I do not understand is that the Prime Minister was against the war, after the war, Gladstone complained the poor Zulus , then who wanted to continue the war on the political level, after Isandhlwana, everyone?

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Except when he learned the horror of January 22, maybe? And when the stupidity of the populace is known...

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 4:46 pm

Pascal,

Not for the first time I have misunderstood your question, I thought you were referring to now, and not 1879!

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 4:52 pm

Yes Jimmy i speak of the British people in all social echelons in 1879!

For example, I often read that it was very unpopular to enlist in the army at that time, the soldiers often hid their commitments to their parents ...

I deduce that the lower social echelons of the British people mocked Isandhlwana ...
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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 5:50 pm

Pascal,


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I deduce that the lower social echelons of the British people mocked Isandhlwana ...

Quite the contrary I think news of Isandlwana shocked the British public to its core, no matter to which social strata they belonged to.

By-the-way put down the Sherlock Holmes novel, or is it Flashman & the Tiger? You need to study mo

'I deduce...' indeed it was the Zulu with the spear in front of the mountain...

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 6:00 pm

Jimmy

Quite the contrary I think news of Isandlwana shocked the British public to its core, no matter to which social strata they belonged to.

I was sure you were going to answer me this, and yet I often read that it was very unpopular to enlist in the army at that time, the soldiers often hid their commitments to their parents ...

This is contradictory...
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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 7:16 pm

Pascal,

To judge the British public's view of their soldiery may I commend to you Rudyard Kipling's Tommy Atkins, one of his Barrack-Room Ballads published in 1892, but the views were the same as those held in 1879.

If you haven't got your own copy of Barrack-Room Ballads, I can recommend it.

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 7:48 pm

So everything I read is false the soldiers' commitment under a false name ect ...
Who beg their brothers and sisters not to tell their parents they are engaged ect ...
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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySat Aug 03, 2013 8:29 pm

Pascal,

I take you haven't read the poem yet?

As to enlisting under assumed names there are obviously well-known instances within the Anglo-Zulu War; those who were hiding from the law; those 'Gentlemen-rankers' who wished to hide their true identities and those who just wished to lose themselves.

By-the-way doesn't the most famous regiment of the French Army consist of enlisted men serving under assumed names?

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PostSubject: Re: Perceived by the British people...   Perceived by the British people... EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 6:31 am

Jimmy I thought they did that to hide their new situation to their parents ?
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To the home of the floods and thunder
To her pale dry healing blue
To the lift of the great Cape combers
And the smell of the great Karoo
To the growl of the sluicing stamp head
To the reef and the water gold
To the last and largest Empire
To the map that is half unrolled.

The Native Born 1894 Kipling
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Yes Mate ,Kippling , it's beautiful, he also wrote a beautiful poem in honor of the heads of wool ,where they are compared as superior to the Zulu and Pathans in terms of Bravery.
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