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PostSubject: Who was the first death white ?   Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:21 am

Hi all

Well, well in some war, we know exactly who is the first death ...

Who was the first white, killed in the Zulu War?

And the last?

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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:31 am

Hi Pascal .
The first deaths in action were Lt Raines & Lt PLatterer and 6 others at the start of the Nyezane Battle , the last from memory were Corp Pomfrett and Sgt Maj Smith when blowing up caves in Sept if I remember correctly . Salute .
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:43 am

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Wasnt there a drowning at RD?
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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:54 am

Yes I think one of the Colonials drowned while swimming in the River , another chap was either drowned or as some think was taken by a croc in the Tuglea before the actual invasion . Pascal , I think wanted the names of those who were the first killed in action and the last to die in action . Thats what I've given him . Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:09 pm

springbok9 wrote:
90th Wasnt there a drowning at RD?

Trooper of the Newcastle mounted rifles, i think they couldn't locate his body.

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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:09 am

Hi DB .
16th Jan Trpr . Arthur Dixon , who could not swim , had been dragged into a hole by the current as a party of the Newcastle Mtd Rifles had gone to bathe in the river . Despite a desperate search by his comrades , his body had yet to be recovered . Pascal
is asking about the First & Last BATTLE Casualties !. This has been discussed previously . Source ; Zulu Rising .
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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:12 am

On reading Pascals initial post I see he hasnt stipulated whether it's Battle or Accidental Death . Certainly the last two are Smith & Pomfret . Not sure if the chap who went missing in the Tugela was before the 16th Jan , I somehow think he was as it may have occured on the 11th or 12 th Jan .
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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:47 am

Jan 9th 1879 . Seaman , Dan Martin . Drowns in the Tugela , speculation he may have been taken by a crocodile .
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:03 am

Hi all

Thank you all, that's true I'm so obnibulé by Isandhlwana that I had forgotten to Nyezane which started at 8.00 am.

Of course I referred to killed in action, otherwise die in this war is so stupid ...

By cons I knew there was a species of crocodiles in South Africa, but I thought they were not large enough to kill a man, I thought it was pissivors.

It be gobbled up by a crocodile in war, that's original !

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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:14 pm

The Red Book
Just came across an interesting snipet from the Red Book (page 53), which is a compilation of Natal Press reports from the Zulu war, compiled by Ron Lock and Peter Quantrill, concerning Lt Raines, headed 'Lieutenant Raines', it goes on to say, 'This gentleman who was killed in the engagement on 22nd Inst, between Colonel Pearson's column and the Zulus, was well known in Durban. He arrved here some two or three years since, and afterwards went to the Gold Fields, from whence he proceeded to Delagoa Bay, where he was attacked by fever, and came down to Natal for a change. Whilst in Durban, he obtained a lieutenancy in the native contingent, of which, had he been spared, he would no doubt have proved a valuable and brave officer. The deceased was well connected, and was a gentleman of much intelligence'.
The 'Special Correspondent' descibing the action (page 51) tells us of finding the bodies; 'One poor fellow, an Englishman , was litteraly riddles with assegai wounds. The writer of this has a copy of "Sacred Songs and solos sung, by Ira D Sankey," taken from his pocket. It is saturated with his blood, and has been pierced by an assegai in two places. Outside are written the initials A.U.P.C'.
Anyone have any knowledge of the initials or what happened to the book?



Thank you all, that's true I'm so obnibulé by Isandhlwana that I had forgotten to Nyezane which started at 8.00 am.

Of course I referred to killed in action, otherwise die in this war is so stupid ...

By cons I knew there was a species of crocodiles in South Africa, but I thought they were not large enough to kill a man, I thought it was pissivors.

It be gobbled up by a crocodile in war, that's original !

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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:49 pm

Crocodiles have fought on the side of the Zulu, normal, they were patriots. Salute

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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:09 pm

scratch :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:28 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
Crocodiles have fought on the side of the Zulu, normal, they were patriots. Salute

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Hi Pascal,
Did the croc use his assegai!!!! :lol: :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:58 pm

According to Gary as he mentioned, there was a guy eaten by a crocodile in the Zulu war Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:06 pm

How many types there were eaten by crocodiles during the Zulu war ...?

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PostSubject: Who was the first white death    Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:22 pm

Hi All.
It isnt an established fact that the chap that fell into the Tugela was indeed taken by a croc , it is assumed so , as they never found the body !.
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PostSubject: Re: Who was the first death white ?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:26 pm

Hi Gary Wink

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