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PostSubject: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:47 pm

Hi band of Zulus Wink

Please who owns photos or illustrations of the flags of infantry companies of the NNC in January 1879 ?

"Esprit de corps amongst companies was encouraged and many ,particulary in the 3rd NNC ,carried small flags with the battalion number and simple emblems illustrating the nicknames they had chosen,e.g.pigs,young bulls,lions,ect..."

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" To facilitate the movements small flags were introduced for each company.The number of the battalion was painted on each,as well as some device.When possible the latter was an image of whateverthe company was named after. A pig , a young bull , and the like . The men were quite pleased with these flags.They were also the source of amusement and many jokes."

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PostSubject: The Flags Of Infantry Co's Of The NNC.   Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:17 pm

Hi Pascal .
I cant remember ever reading of such flags , my guess if they are mentioned anywhere may be in ' Black Soldiers Of The Queen '
by Paul Thompson
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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:37 am

HI Gary

Yes! What you read is in my previous post with an article from another book, but what I want, it's photos or illustrations ...

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PostSubject: The Flags Of Infantry Co's Of The NNC.   Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:44 am

Hi Pascal .
Never seen one , ever . I doubt there are any photo's in existance . Suspect Suspect Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:42 pm

And illustrations ?

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PostSubject: The Flags Of Infantry Co's Of The NNC.   Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:44 pm

Hi Pascal .
I've Never seen any photographs or Illustrations of Flags regarding the NNC Regiments .
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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:52 am

Hi Gary

This must, however well exist since these flags have existed ...

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:55 pm

90th wrote:
Hi Pascal .
I cant remember ever reading of such flags , my guess if they are mentioned anywhere may be in ' Black Soldiers Of The Queen '
by Paul Thompson
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Hi 90th,
The reference is at the top of page 10 in Osprey's Zulu War-Volunteers, Irregulars and Auxiliaries. However there are no photo's or illustrations.
I have read somewhere recently about another unit having a strange embroided lions head and a motto I think in latin on a pennant/flag but for the life of me I can't remember which book I was browsing at the time.

Pascal,
You may have to contact the South African Military History Society to see if they can shed any light on your request. If they cannot but have a descriptive text then you will have to use your artistic license.

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:38 am

Hi the Zulus

Richie, I avoid doing things when I have no visual documentation.

The wargames with me ,it's not Hollywood...

Gary descriptions in books of Thompson and Castle ( MAA 388 ), I have copied on this subject, a few days ago ,the Sat Mar 17 ... Exclamation

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:59 pm

Hi Pascal
This is from the Durnford papers recovered from Isandlwana

Each of the 4 parties should be provided with a lantern and flags ao that when they have to fall
back to the outpost they may not be fired on by their own side.



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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:41 pm

Thank you Young Man

What we need now is illustrations or a descriptive more accurate than the two I posted on 17 ...

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:42 pm

Pascal,

Your fellow Frenchman, Adolphe Yvon, included a N.N.C. flag in his panorama of the Battle of Ulundi, which is displayed at the National Army Museum, Chelsea. The painting is reproduced in colour in Peter C. Smith's "Victoria's Victories."

The one he has illustrated, based on eyewitness accounts, looks something like a Confedrate flag of the American Civil War. It is red with a white saltire cross with what appears to be black saltire cross overlaid over that.

I hope that's a start for you?

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:13 am

Hello my friend you live and live this forum !!!

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:03 am

Are you not the same, Pascal
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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:27 am

Yes Old Historian I'm the same, Pascal...
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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:37 am



Dear Kwajimu

Where is the responsable of the eyewitness accounts,for the flag of the

2nd NNC at Ulundi at Adolphe Yvon for his panorama of this battle ?

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PostSubject: Re: The flags of infantry companies of the NNC inJanuary 1879 ...   Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:16 am

Hi the natives

In my opinion, their flags in Ulundi are different than they had at Isandhlwana ...

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