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PostSubject: Cases of massacres...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:54 pm

Hi all

Anyone know of cases of massacres of Zulu civilians (women, children and elderly) in this war?

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PostSubject: Cases Of Massacres    Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:00 pm

Hi Pascal.
Dont think there were any !.
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:06 pm

Hi Gary

There's always!

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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:24 pm

Only what was carried out my the Zulu's themselves.
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PostSubject: Cases Of Massacres   Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:17 am

Hi Pascal .
There are no accounts or files saying Massacres took place , there are instances of the British burning Kraal's but thats what you do in war , also the British Government werent happy with the burning of these Kraals and did indeed forbid it , but as the communications took forever, these still went on . So to answer your question there were no massacres of the civilian population .
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:37 am

Hi Gary

But in the opinion of Mr Greave, during the war, the Zulu army massacre Zulu civilians ? Where and when ?

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PostSubject: Cases of Massacres ?   Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:07 am

Hi Pascal .
Who is Mr. Greave the Author or Forum member ? . I've never of it happening in all the books on the zulu war that I've read !.
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:33 am

Yes, Mr Greaves of the forum, see what he wrote above ...
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PostSubject: Cases of Massacres   Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 am

Pascal .
I think you'll find he means the Zulu's against the British troops ! , at least I think that's what he means ? . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:33 am

And for British troops against Zulu civillians ?
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PostSubject: Cases of Massacres    Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:55 pm

Pascal .
Read my posts ! , there is no evidence that it happened .
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:10 pm

Pascal. This did not happen. I recall reading I think it was after the battle at Kambula, some wounded Zulus were treated by British doctors. Compassion we calls it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:28 pm

Ah! The British are really nice too, I thought that in a war of this kind there, cruelty was automatic, see the colonial wars of other European nations ...

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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:06 pm

Mr Greaves should reveal his source it is important to back up statements made. Question
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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:16 pm

Surely we can safely assume there were alot of wounded soldiers in the early stages of Ishandlwana ; as none of these survived or were spared then they were massacred .
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PostSubject: Zulu massacres   Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:06 pm

Hi All,
One of the reasons Ceteswayo did not have the support of the whole nation in his war with the British was because many minor Zulu clans had been very badly treated by Cetesawyo in the past when he had dealt ruthlessly with them in his bloody way (this did not involve a smack on the the knuckles ) when they dissented. They were absolutely terrified of his cruelty which involoved "eliminating" all opposition. Thus , the Christian Amakolwas ( Jabez Molife) and others were fighting on the British side to eliminate Ceteswayo and his cruelty, which had no respect for human life at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Cases of massacres...   Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:52 pm

Hi Barry, since the time ...

It is true that the Zulus are not funny them in their civil wars, but it's not shocking because it was them, that is not the subject of my original post ...

I was just wondering if the British army had massacred Zulu civilians, as loved as do the army of the united states at the same time, facing the Indian ...

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