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What lengths did Chelmsford go through to make sure that he was not blamed for the disaster at Isandlwana?
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Hi Sean, and welcome to the forum.

Just a very short reply (it's bed time here in England).

Chelmsford and his cronies went to great lengths to divert the blame elsewhere, and yes, Pulliene came in for some stick (which in a way was justifiable).

But many people back in England could see through the cover up, and many questions were asked.

If you have got the book 'Zulu Victory' by Lock and Quantrill, go to chapter 8 Web of Deception, you will be amazed at some of the lengths they went to put the blame on to the scapegoat Colonel Durnford.

Enjoy the forum Sean.

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I see, so Chelmsford did have other people helping him shift the blame onto somone else
I had read somwhere that Queen Victoria helped avert the blame from him, is this true?

Sadly i dont have that book but I shall attempt to find it! Somewhere online.. Very Happy


Thanks Martin, i sure will!

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Hi Sean G.
Far to complex to go into here , as I'm certain its all coverered here before , I know thats a cop out but there is much info you can access by using the search box . Queen Victoria and Lord Chelmesford were very good friends , cant say the same for Disrali who was Prime Minister at the time . Here is a link for zulu victory , check the postage cost to Kiwi land .

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These are the cheaper options I found having a quick look , check the postage rates before you buy so you dont get any unexpected surprises !. Good Luck Sean .
Cheers 90th. You need to study mo
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Hey 90th

My bad i forgot all about the seach bar.. Wasnt thinking :lol:


Thanks for the Links saved me some time Exclamation

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Sean G wrote:
What lengths did Chelmsford go through to make sure that he was not blamed for the disaster at Isandlwana?

Sean G, welcome to the forum.
Here in the UK, 96 Liverpool FC fans died, tragically, in a crush at Hillsborough Stadium on Saturday, 15th April 1989.
That same day at 5.00pm, the doctors and paramedics treating the injured in a hall near the stadium were ordered out of the hall by the police who then entered, shut the doors and windows and locked themselves in to the hall. Why? To get their stories straight?
The following monday, the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire police at the time, ordered a meeting of all involved. Why? To get their story straight?
Ever since that day, the South Yorkshire police have held the Liverpool fans to blame for the demise of the 96.
Last week, it was revealed that the Liverpool fans were not to blame at all, the South Yorkshire police were to blame. Documents are now in the public domain, including 164 statements with damning evidence scratched out. Undoubtedly, many statements detrimental to the cover up have been "lost."
The Chief Constable of South Yorkshire at the time, who must shoulder the blame for the cover up and the disaster itself has now passed away. Sir Norman Bettison, currently chief constable of West Yorkshire police was a member of the SYP internal review group or liaison unit on Hillsborough and, as such, had a key role in presenting the police in the best light and blaming the fans for the disaster.
This should remind us that those at the top of the chain of command have never, and will never will think anything of falsely blaming the innocent dead in order to save the reputation of their boys and their own skins
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Thanks Tasker224

What an amazing, yet tragic example!
But the truth will nearly always come out in the end.

I salute you good sir for a great post!
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Interesting . Could someone post the sources that show this. You need to study mo
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Ulundi wrote:
Interesting . Could someone post the sources that show this. You need to study mo

Google it, it is all out there.
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What as Hillsborough got to do with this topic?? i thought this was the ZULU WAR 1879 Forum.
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PostSubject: Re: What did Chelmsford do to escape the blame?     What did Chelmsford do to escape the blame? EmptySun Sep 23, 2012 6:32 pm

Towerboy I asked myself the same question. When someone brought " Eggs and Bacon" into a discussion.
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Didn't think I would actually have to spell out the subtle parallel, but here goes:

"This should remind us that those at the top of the chain of command have never, and will never will think anything of falsely blaming the innocent dead in order to save the reputation of their boys and their own skins"

For "Chief of South Yorkshire Police" compare directly and contrast to "Lord Chelmsford."
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Why bring Hillsborough into it? scratch
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Towerboy
Tasker was using Hillsborough as a modern day example of the corruption shown by Commanding figures such as Lord Chelmsford.
In Hillsborough the commanding figure was the Chief of the South Yorkshire Police.

It was just a modern day example of Corruption.

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