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Captain David Moriarity, 80th, KIA Ntombe
This photograph taken when he was in the 7th Regiment prior to his transfer to the 80th. [Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
The Battle of Isandlwana: One of The Worst Defeats of The British Empire - Military History
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PostSubject: "It would take a week to make."   Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:58 am

Hi all

Chelmsford did not see the need for the laager, stating, "It would take a week to make."


It is believed dreaming !

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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Qui ne dis rien,est d'accord Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:27 pm

The Lack Of Spades Didn't Help!
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:35 pm

Yes that must be it ...
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:17 pm

By Sir Henry Havelock.
"If the men at Isandula had had these light spades, they would have been able, even in a few hours, to have intrenched the camp, or, at any rate, to have thrown up a few rifle pits flanking each other. Then, with the powerful weapons with which our men were armed, he undertook to say that we should not now have been mourning a great disaster;"
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PostSubject: It would take a week to make    Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:51 pm

Hi Littlehand.
In all respect to Sir Henry Havelock , he wasnt there ! . As discussed previously many times there wasnt the manpower to prevent the Massacre .
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:49 am

We know 90th!!! . It was an observation,he felt needed to be made, in the house of commons to justify his allowance £££££ for attending. If he felt the battle was lost due to lack of light spades, then he's entilted to that opinion. The same as you are entitled to yours.
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:05 am

Hello Skippy

Everything held at the will of LC ...

If he had not despised Zulu, if he had not had undue reliance in the MH and if he had simply taken into account opinions of the old Boer ...

There would have been no massacre of the garrison camp, well entrenched it would have obtained the same results as the defenders of RD.

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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:36 pm

Isandlwana Probaly wouldn't have been selected. The hard ground would have still be the core issue of not being able to entrench.

Which leads me to a question.

If Isandlwana hadn't been selected, where would the next possible location have been?
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:15 pm

The plateau at the foot of which was the Zulu army when she triggered the attack ...

The third column could occupy it, before the arrival of the impi...

The defense would have been facilitated
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:18 pm

Good point, but then the Zulu's would have located themselves at Isandlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:47 am

The third column could occupy it, before the arrival of the impi...No ?
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PostSubject: It would take a week to make    Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:05 am

I know Littlehand !! . Havelock clearly had no right to make an assumption of any kind regarding the camp , he wasnt there , so couldn't / shouldn't have made any comment whatsoever about how light spades would save the day ! . Even though you say he made the comments to justify his pay ! . The bottom line is he spoke of something he had no idea of in any context whatsoever .
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PS . Oh , and by the way, I think I'm more ( also many others on here ) qualified than Havelock to speak on this matter for the fact I / we do have 133 yrs of Hindsight and much information available to me as compared to him . If he or anyone thinks light spades would've saved the day then please go and read some literature on the battle . He is entitled to his own opinion as you say and so is anyone ,but lets face it he didnt have the evidence that we have today . Havelock wouldnt have been better advised to say nothing on the matter ! .
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:14 am

Hi Gary

If Havelock had no right to do so ...

We no longer then ...

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PostSubject: It would take a week to make    Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:19 am

Pascal .
You dont understand my post ! . Read it again !! . We have 133 yrs of evidence to look at , he had nothing compared to what we have to look at !! . Shocked Hopefully you will read my post again and understand it ! . Shocked .
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:24 am

Yes Sir Salute
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PostSubject: It would take a week to make    Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:33 am

Pascal .
At ease , Soldier ! Salute
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:36 am

soldier Gary, guard you Salute Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:07 am

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I know Littlehand !! . Havelock clearly had no right to make an assumption of any kind regarding the camp , he wasnt there , so couldn't / shouldn't have made any comment whatsoever about how light spades would save the day ! . Even though you say he made the comments to justify his pay ! . The bottom line is he spoke of something he had no idea of in any context whatsoever .

90th perhaps he was told.
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:07 am

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I know Littlehand !! . Havelock clearly had no right to make an assumption of any kind regarding the camp , he wasnt there , so couldn't / shouldn't have made any comment whatsoever about how light spades would save the day ! . Even though you say he made the comments to justify his pay ! . The bottom line is he spoke of something he had no idea of in any context whatsoever .

90th perhaps he was told.
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:17 am

yes, maybe scratch
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PostSubject: It would take a week to make    Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:48 am

Hi Ctsg.
Possibly that was the case . Who knows , but without merit all the same .
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PostSubject: Re: "It would take a week to make."   Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:55 am

Yes Gary, perhaps he was told.
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