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PostSubject: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:51 pm

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What is interesting here is it spans two disasters for the 24th Chillianwallah and Isandlwana, there are certainly men who fought in the Sikh War in the photograph as well as men who fought in the Anglo-Zulu War.
Photo supplied by a well known Zulu War Author and Historian.
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:50 pm

Could the names below, be any of those in the above photo.

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Officers of the 2nd Battalion, 24th Regiment in 1872. Seated second from left in the second row (6) is Henry Pulleine who commanded the 1st/24th at Isandlwana.

1) Lieutenant C.D'A. Pope
2) Captain W.B. Logan
3) Lieutenant W. Penn Symons
4) Lieutenant F.R.B. Liebenrood
5) Lieutenant C.W. Walker
6) Major H.B. Pulleine
7) Lieutenant Colonel T. Ross
8) Lieutenant J.J. Harvey
9) Captain H.B. Church
10) Lieutenant D.D. Pryce
11) Lieutenant H.M. Williams
12) Major F.C. D'E Barclay
13) Captain W.R.B. Chamberlin
14) Lieutenant J.H. Banks
15) Lieutenant G. Stanhope Banister
16) Lieutenant T.C. Dempster
17) Lieutenant C Erskine
18) Lieutenant J. Hoskyns
19) Lieutenant F.T. Halliday
20) ???
21) Lieutenant T. Rainforth
22) Major W.J.M. Crawford
23) Lieutenant C.S.L. Wilkinson
24) Captain E.H.B. Sawbridge
25) Quarter Master J. Hawkins
26) ???
27) Paymaster A.S.G. Jauncey
28) Lieutenant R. Younghusband
29) Surgeon W.F.G. Gullen
30) Assistant Surgeon V. Mac Sweney MD.
31) Lieutenant W. Sugden
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:31 pm

What a shabby bunch they look! Wouldn't want to pick a fight with any of them though.

The fellow with the pipe in the top photo looks a bit like Ross in the lower picture?
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:55 pm

Numbers make it easier.

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:58 pm

So far we think we have

9) Pulleine
10) Degacher
17) Porteous
18) Lieutenant Colonel T. Ross
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:09 pm

9 Pulleine Suspect



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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:34 pm

DB. Would be more help if you could put names to faces rather than icons.
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:50 am

Hi All .
I think 15 is possibly Pulleine !! . I think we'll never know with 100 % accuracy . Unfortunately Suspect .
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:36 am

90th,

It can't be Pulleine as he was serving in the 2nd/24th at the time, he didn't join the 1st/24th until 1871.

The above photograph dates from late 1866/early 1867 the giveaway is the double breasted frock coat worn by the officer in the centre, which was replaced by the patrol jacket in late 1867. Admittedly overseas stations might been a little slower in taking the patrol jacket into use.

According to what has been written in another place: 1 is Glyn; 7 is Brander; 11 is Porteous; 12 is Dunbar; 15 is White & 16 is Harrisson.

Both the "Hitchcock" (Degacher) brothers should be in the group, 10 might be the younger "Hitchcock".

13 looks like a young Fred Carrington to me.

LH,

You can discount Ross as he was in India, the 1st/24th was commanded by Colonel E. Wodehouse, there's a photo of him as an old man in Atkinson's history of the S.W.B.'s.

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:05 am

15) Younghusband
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PostSubject: Officers of the 1 / 24th Regt    Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:02 pm

Hi Kwajimu1879.
Thanks for pointing that out . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:40 pm

Thanks KwaJinu. I have trouble spotting myself in group photos, hopeless at it.
Interesting info about the 2 Degachers probably being in the early photo.
It would be useful if you/someone could list all the possible names of men that may in both pictures.
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Tasker,

This from "Records of the 24th Regiment" those officers who arrived on Malta in October 1866:

Colonel E.Wodehouse
Majors R.T. Glyn & R.H. Travers
Captains H. J. Hitchcock, W.J.M. Crawford, J. Foot, W.M. Dunbar, C.F. Lloyd & W.A.H. Plasket
Lieutenants J.M.G. Tongue, J.C. Thomas, W.M. Brander, H.A. Harrison(sic), W. Hitchcock, H.R. Farquhar, F. Hibbert, G.A. Lee & E. Lee
Ensigns R. Upcher, F. Carrington, H.B. Moffat, R.R. Corcor, T. Melvill, L.H.Bennett, J.G. Syms, F.P. Porteous & C.C. Allen
Paymaster F.F. White
Lt & Adjutant J.F. Caldwell
Quartermaster W. Charters
Surgeon J. Coates & Asst. Surgeon G.F. Duffey.

SAS1,

R. Younghusband was in the 2nd/24th until 1876 when he transferred 1st/24th so it can't be him.

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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:36 pm

Thanks Kwajimu Salute ; so shouldn't Teignmouth Melville be one of those in the 1872 photo?
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PostSubject: Re: Officers of the 1st/24th Regt. possibly taken on Malta 1867   Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:17 pm

Tasker,

The 1872 photo above is of 2nd/24th and was taken in India.

Melvill served in the 1st/24th and in 1872 was serving on Gibraltar.

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