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PostSubject: For you where is ...   Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:28 pm

Hi All

For you where is the Most Leading Authority on the Zulu War?


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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:38 pm

Ian Knight! And always will be!!Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:23 am

And M. Jackson and Julian Whybra ?
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:10 am

Pascal I would vote for you anyday:shock:
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:49 am

You are in agreement with me ? ...

What is happening is that when I got on our forum, I only read books of IK and Ian Castle ...

Well when I read the masterpiece of Mr. Jackson and all the little wonders of Julian, on the advice of members of this forum, it was a shock to me!

Mr Jackson in one book on Isandhlwana is really the Master for Isandhlwana! No?

When that Julian wrote, nothing to do with what others write, it is his style, this, because he never discusses the war in general, but a particular topic with unheard of precision, which it makes it so good ...

The secret to quality, I think is of writing only a book on a single event , no ?... And that goes for all the history books ...
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:43 am

Could not agree more. David Jacksons writing is clinical, precise and without emotion. Who was that American detective that said: "The facts mam just the facts." ? that sums up Jackson to a T.

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:48 am

Its good we have a personal opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:00 am

Mister-ious springbok9 you could not agree more with me.And what are you agree with me? Jackson to a T. What this mean?
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:19 am

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I agree on the merits of David Jackson. Therefore I agree with your opinion.
The phrase Jackson to a T means it fits Jackson perfectly, sorry its English slang.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:24 am

Too bad it is not written other books on other battles of this war !
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:37 am

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Julian knows him on a personal level, would be really interesting to get him to do a piece on David. I think, open to correction, that he devoted his time to isandlwana in order to get as accurate a picture as possible. All without emotion or personal comment. And that the beauty of Hill of the Sphinx, he doesnt pass comment just records history. Possibly thats why it has never been challenged to any great degree. Unlike say Morris who tried to wright the Magnum Oppus. Came close but history has taken a mighty swipe at him. Maybe the same will happen with ZUlu Rising? Who knows what the future/past holds.

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:04 pm

I know this, Julian serves me of intermediary with Mr Jackson Wink
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PostSubject: For you where is...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:30 pm

I have to agree with springy about David Jackson, Hill of the Sphinx is a brilliant book. I do have a number of books on the AZW written by various authors including Ian Knight, John Laband, David Rattray, Lock and Quantrill, Droogleever, and various others. I have also got research work by Julian and Kris Wheatly, which are all very well researched. I find that reading the better reaserched modern work explains things a lot better than the older work that was either not researched properly or 'borrowed' from other people. Some of the older work is taken from the opinions of others and copied as fact, which modern day researchers have proved to be false. So with this in mind, I would rather put my trust in the more modern work than some of the old, often repeated, ill researched stuff from various other authors.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:41 pm

There is no doubt we are fortunate to have so many capable writers and researchers in our field of interest and, as acknowledged above and elsewhere, there are many good works on the events of 22 January 1879 at both iSandlwana and Rorke's Drift. One can debate which is the 'definitive' work on these events, 'Zulu Rising' or any other; as Springbok9 has said previously, you pays your money and makes your choice. However, I do think we need to be careful here for I would respectfully suggest that a work, or works, solely on the events of 22 January 1879 does not make the author, irrespective of who he or she is, a 'leading authority' on the 'Zulu War' per se (i.e. the question posed on this thread).

There is a man who have I had both the privilege and pleasure to witness, first hand and on several occasions now, 'at work' in KwaZulu-Natal. For many, many, years, probably more than he cares to remember nowadays, he has travelled the length and breadth of the Zulu heartlands, researching the battlefields and Zulu history and culture. In addition to lectures on the fields of iSandlwana and at Rorke's Drift, I have seen this man talk with authority and astounding knowledge at Gingindlovu, Nyezane, Ulundi, Ntombe, Hlobane, Khambula, Prince Imperial etc etc. As an aside, I have also seen him wax equally lyrically at the Ncome, EmaKhosini, Ondini, KwaDukuza, Bhambatha's Rock and the Mome Gorge. I could go on but, suffice to say, this man knows his stuff - and then some!

This man has also written and edited a host of journals and books on the AZW, covering all of its aspects and not just those of the  'big two'; iSandlwana and Rorke's Drift. He has also narrated and advised on TV documentaries on the subject. Moreover, he is a thoroughly nice man and certainly too humble in character to push his name forward as the World's leading authority on the Zulu War, and I am not going to embarrass him by doing so on his behalf here. But what I would say is that the man certainly has an impressive CV for the job description. That man is Ian Knight.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:56 pm

Yes Martin and springy agrees with me !
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:58 pm

Yes Umbiki Ian Knigh is a giant and he is very nice man, I am in contact with him for decades, but I prefer the kind of work Mr Jackson and Julian
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:35 pm

Umbiki
Nice to see you posting again.
I cant quibble with what you say about Ian, he really is a first class act and a hell of a nice guy to boot. Your probably right in saying that his overall knowledge of the various batttles is probably unsurpassed.

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:42 pm

That's fine - and to be clear, I have the utmost and genuine respect for all AZW authors. But my point is, do not confuse leading authorities on the Zulu War - as a whole - with those who focus more specifically on the events of 22 January 1879 at iSandlwana and Rorke's Drift.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:43 pm

Thanks Springbok9 - don't get the chance very often, these days. My above post crossed with yours but was aimed at Pascal by the way!

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:49 pm

To each his own! I prefer a book about a single event!Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:22 pm

Never mind ...Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:26 pm

To each his own!Salute
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:59 pm

springbok9 wrote:
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Julian knows him on a personal level, would be really interesting to get him to do a piece on David. I think, open to correction, that he devoted his time to isandlwana in order to get as accurate a picture as possible. All without emotion or personal comment. And that the beauty of Hill of the Sphinx, he doesnt pass comment just records history. Possibly thats why it has never been challenged to any great degree. Unlike say Morris who tried to wright the Magnum Oppus. Came close but history has taken a mighty swipe at him. Maybe the same will happen with ZUlu Rising? Who knows what the future/past holds.
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Really, well we never knew that. :p;:
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:03 pm

Really? Could have sworn I had mentioned it before. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:46 pm

Perhaps your a parrot!!
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:17 am

What is the troubleshooting,scratch
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:57 am

CTSG
Yes I heard that you liked a CockorTwo.?
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:07 am

Absolutely outrageous :p;: :p;: :p;:
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PostSubject: For you where is .......   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:17 am

Walking  the line but very funny ! Very Happy  Very Happy.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:22 am

Yeah bit close to the bone. Sorry CTSG.Salute
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:22 am

???What is a CockorTwo.Very Happy
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PostSubject: For you where is ...........   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:24 am

Hi Springy .
Good luck with your explanation . Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:26 am

Pascal you can ask some bloody awkward questions at times........................ France is about to play the All Blacks in NZ, go watch.

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PostSubject: For you where is ....   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:31 am

Hi Springy .
How about it's a cross between a parrot and a galah ! Hhahhahahahahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:34 am

Thanks 90th.
Did you see the result of the SA v Windies last night? Wow
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PostSubject: For you where is .......   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:36 am

No Springy I havent seen the result . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:38 am

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I do not see how my questions are annoying or bloody!

Sport, it does not look at, this practice!
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:39 am

Marsupial

What is a galah? A marsupial ? The only species of  bipede marsupial of England or  South Africa or a south african bird ?
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:47 am

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You do it Im laughing to much.

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PostSubject: For you where is ............   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:49 am

Hi Rascal .
A galah is an Australian native bird as is the cockatoo ! . Time to watch the Rugby Rascal ! .
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:49 am

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Game was drawn on the DL method because of rain so SA go through on run rate. Windies had it made but lost a wicket on the last ball.

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:50 am

springboky It is good for health Very Happy!
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:54 am

Marsupial

Sport, it does not look at, this practice!This is good for your health ... What is a cockatoo,?
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PostSubject: For you where is...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:09 am

Rascal.

A Cockatoo is a type of parrot, a parrot is a bird, a bird flies in the sky, the sky is the blue thing above, but if you live in England it's the cloudy thing above where all the rain comes from :p;:


springy.

I was glad the saffers won, at the time the Windies were ahead on D/L, and all that big headed oaf Pollard had to do was either let it go by, block it, or play it for one run, but what does he do, tries to clobber it for a six and gets caught with a magnificent catch by Dale Steyn. So with him getting out it made the scores on a par, but the saffers had a better run rate and got through, serves the swollen headed big mouthed sod Pollard right, I can't stand the oaf.

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:32 am

Martin, what you're educated, at least you know things!Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:28 pm

cockatoo is any of the 21 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] belonging to the bird [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Cacatuidae, the only family in the superfamily Cacatuoidea. Along with the Psittacoidea ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) and the Strigopoidea (large [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]), they make up the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Psittaciformes (parrots). The family has a mainly [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] distribution, ranging from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and the eastern [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]islands of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. The name cockatoooriginated from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) name for these birds, kaka(k)tua (either from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]"parrot" + tuwah or "older sister" from kakak "sister" + tua "old").

Cockatoos are recognisable by the showy [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and curved [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Their [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is generally less colourful than that of other parrots, being mainly white, grey or black and often with coloured features in the crest, cheeks or tail. On average they are larger than other parrots; however, the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the smallest cockatoo species, is a small bird. The phylogenetic position of the Cockatiel remains unresolved, other than that it is one of the earliest offshoots of the cockatoo lineage. The remaining species are in two main clades. The five large black coloured cockatoos of the genus [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] form one branch. The second and larger branch is formed by the genus [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], comprising 11 species of white-plumaged cockatoos and four monotypic genera that branched off earlier; namely the pink and white [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the pink and grey [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the mainly grey [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and the large black-plumaged [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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PostSubject: Re: For you where is ...   Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 pm

EVEN IK BELIEVES THAT MR DAVID JACKSON IS THE BEST HISTORIAN ON THE ZULU WAR Salute.
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PostSubject: Fort Pine   Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:06 pm

Hi All,
Following a number of questions from members on Fort Pine I  share the following;
Located approx 12km SE of Dundee.  To travel there take the R33  south from  Dundee then head for Shopridge farm on the D357.
Laband and Thompson had this to say about it's beginnings, quote;
...initially called the Dundee laager, was intended as a post for the NMP . When the Buffalo Border Guard made it their headquarters it was  named after former Lieut Gen of Natal , Sir Benjamin Pine.
It's construction in 1879 took 9 months , although the interior sections had not been fully completed when the war broke out. Settlers then began to come in and after Isandlwana the fort was entirely filled with their wagons and tents.
There were insufficient men amongst the occupants to man the walls and the local Field Cornet had difficulty in ever finding enough men for the duties. So, on 7th February 1879 the BBG and Newcastle Mounted Rifles were sent to do garrison duties there. They remained there until July of that year, though, by May most of the settlers had vacated it.
The layout of this fort was that of an open square (some 60m x 40m)  with loopholed walls fourteen feet high and the walls were made of natural stone. Post the war there were further structural changes .  These comprised accomodation on the east wall and stables on the west wall. There was an internal water well near the  N entrance. Since that time many of the loopholes have been filled in and covered over.

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