ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)

King Cetshwayo, after his victory at the Battle of Isandlwana, 1879. An assegai has been thrust into the belly of the nation, there are not enough tears to mourn for the dead.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Rorke's Drift By ThoseWho Were There !
Today at 8:16 pm by xhosa2000

» Rorke's Drift By Those Who Were There
Today at 5:37 pm by Lee Stevenson

» Cpl. Christian Ferdinand Schiess
Today at 10:26 am by nthornton1979

» Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.
Today at 12:31 am by johnc

» The Irish Connection.
Yesterday at 10:36 pm by xhosa2000

» Visiting the Graves of the Rorke's Drift Defenders
Yesterday at 6:19 pm by Admin

» Help !!! Dissertation on the Anglo Zulu war
Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:30 pm by Admin

» Metal Detecting ZAR - 9/02/14 Anglo ZULU War of 1879 (PART 1)
Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:09 pm by xhosa2000

» John Chard CDV
Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:03 pm by xhosa2000

» Can anyone help me?
Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:18 pm by Admin

» Reproduction Ammunition Box
Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:15 pm by springbok9

» Hythe group circa 1875
Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:05 pm by xhosa2000

» The 'other' fighting clerk - Corporal JH Mayor, N.N.C
Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:53 pm by Lee Stevenson

» Lt. Corbett Stapleton Cotton
Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:21 am by 90th

» Seeking medal to Private 50/1871 Henry Barnes 57th Foot?
Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:45 am by Tipstaff

Captain W.E. Mostyn, 1/24. Isandlwana--KIA
[Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
Martini Henry Cartridges
Our Favourite Web Links
Legacy of the Rorke’s Drift Heroes Kings Own. The Wardrobe. The National Army Museum. The Anglo Zulu War Museum. The Zulu War 1879. Help For The Hero's Zulu War Talks. Soldiers Of The Queen. Zulu War Historical Society. John Dunn Foundation The Martini-Henry Rifle. Ian Knight's Website. Zulu War Author & Historian. All About the Martini Henry. Neil Aspinshaws new website. The Regimental Museum of The Royal Welsh (Brecon) The British Empire By Stephen Luscombe.
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
October 2014 A tribute to the memory of the 1st Lt
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
springbok9
 
Admin
 
xhosa2000
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
tasker224
 
John
 
impi
 
1879graves
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
What lead to the Anglo - Zulu War and what was its legacy.
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable. 2
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable.
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Chelmsford, Pulline. & Durnford
Crealock's notebook.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The ammunition question
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The missing five hours.
The 1stLt Zulu War
Durnford was he capable. 2
Chelmsford, Pulline. & Durnford
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
The Battle of Isandlwana
Durnford was he capable.
Share | 
 

 Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
Go to page : 1, 2  Next
AuthorMessage
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:16 pm

Sj. It's seems your post has caught the eye of someone on the Victoria War forum. I think it will help with your crusade! There's even a nice photo

http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=8390

Back to top Go down
Ray63



Posts: 482
Points: 594
Join date: 2012-05-05

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:57 pm

From the e-book

"NORRIS-NEWMAN, Lt-Col. Charles  L. W. M. (TiKXTSix), F.K.G.S. ; In-telligence Officer, Imperial Russian Service ; b. Aug. 22, 1852, at Elving-
ton Hall, Yorkshire, s. of late C. Sherwood Newman and Countess de Rosa Y. Robyns ; m. 1st, 1874, Anne Falkner, of Farnham ; 2nd, 1900,
Ethel Finch. Kduc. : Sherborne Liibeck ; Harrow. Educated for army ; left for France and went through siege of Paris, 1870-71, being decorated by M a r e c h a 1 Trochu ; served with Don Carlos in Spain and afterwards with General Gordon in Egypt ; in South Africa, 1877 ; Zululand Campaign, 1879-80 ; present at Isandlwhana, Ginginhlou, relief of Etshowe Ulundi ; first Transvaal war 1880-81 ; Basuto land service, 1882; Madagascar with Gen. Willoughby ; Zanzibar and Central Africa, 1884-91 ; in Matabeleland, 1894 - 98 ; Intelligence Officer, Rhodesia Horse ; Staff officer to Acting Administrator through native war, 1896 : has been special war correspondent for the " Times," " Pall Mall
Gazette," "Standard" and "Daily Mail " ; left for the East in 1900 ; travelled in Ceylon, Straits, China, Japan and Philippines ; appointed English
instructor, Russian Naval Staff, Port Arthur, 1902 ; witnessed first naval attacks of Japanese, Feb. 8, 1904 ; travelled through Manchuria with Russians as special correspondent ; appointed to bring out first Russian Journal in Far East The China Review," which stilt ; has been a constant con tributor to English Magazines and  Periodicals; is P.P.G.S.W. of  Freemasons, D.C. Detor&tfont ."  Madagascar 1st class ; Dannebrog 3rd class ; French Medal for Valour Egyptian Medal ; Khedive's bronze star ; South African Medal with clasp ; Rhodesian Medal. Publication* : "In Zululand with the British " ; " With the Boers in the Transvaal " ; " The Basuto and their Country" ; " South African Stories"; " Matabeleland." Recreations: Riding, shooting, philately. Address: Tientsin, North China ; Royal Geographical Society, London ; 12,
Perham Road, West Kensington, London."
Back to top Go down
24th



Posts: 1667
Points: 2049
Join date: 2009-03-25

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:08 am

Mr Walkers a member of that forum!
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:45 pm

It's Simon, please :-)

And, yes, I've thrown the net wide on this one - prompted by a question that aroused my curiosity on a TMP board.

The biography above is the best/only one that seems to be available (from "Who's Who in the Far East 1906-07) but its sources and accuracy are unclear - seems "Noggs" was a bit of a cad who embellished his CV shamelessly!

I'm sure that there must be more to be found, but it'll be in primary documents and sources rather than the more readily available material.
Back to top Go down
Online
Kenny



Posts: 172
Points: 176
Join date: 2013-05-07
Location: Brecon

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:27 pm

I assume that F.K.G.S. should be F.R.G.S. - their archives at Kensington Gore may hold something.
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:41 am

I've contacted the RGS, as well as the Danish Embassy (regarding his claim to have been a member of the Danneborg order) and Reuters, to see if they have anything on him.

I wonder what Noggs was up to in South Africa between 1875 and 1879, when he suddenly pops back into view as 'special correspondent' as we know.
Back to top Go down
Online
wentworth



Posts: 4
Points: 4
Join date: 2013-04-30

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:36 pm

Interesting to note, Charles Henry Newman-Norris served with the Rifle Brigade during the Great War. He died on the 30th of July 1916. He was the son of Henry Sherwood and Lavinia Newman-Norris. His Commonwealth War Graves record is of interest as it states that He resigned a position in TIENTSIN to join up; he was refused five times?????
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Now that IS interesting - likely to be a nephew (there's already been a suggestion that the Newman family 'adopted' the Norris name for inheritance purposes, which would explain the difference in name) but I wonder how he ended up in Tientsin with dissolute old Uncle Charles - how could we uncover the reasons for his being repeatedly turned down?
Back to top Go down
Online
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:17 pm

Could this be referring to our Mr Newman!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Source:The Correspondence of G.E. Morrison: 1895-1912. 1
 By George Ernest Morrison

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=s1Quxl-svwgC&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=papers+past+norris+newman&source=bl&ots=QKeBoIHcHn&sig=Blky0SFepl3quxUrz_xmUc54nkk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YxkEUrvBMMPP0AXgioGgDQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=papers%20past%20norris%20newman&f=false
Page 299
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:43 pm

That's our man - up to his eyes in debt, having embezzled civil funds in Aliwal, being funded by the Russians to foment ant-Japanese sentiment amongst the Chinese and outraging polite expat society in Tientsin, all in a couple of paragraphs!
Back to top Go down
Online
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:52 pm

Is there anything else you need, or does that answer your question.
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:22 pm

Littlehand,

I'd love to see a biography of this increasingly interesting character, who makes Harry Flashman look like a paragon of virtue so far - there's so much still to be uncovered about him: so far, it looks like he fled England in 1875 (aged 23) after being sued and bankrupted, he then suddenly pops up as a war correspondent in 1879 (so what did he do in the intervening period - he claims to have been with Gordon in the Sudan?), various escapades in Basutoland and Mashonaland before disappearing again to the Far East (after some unfortunate misunderstanding about municipal funds in South Africa), where he's in the employ of the Ruskies, back in debt and consorting with loose women. Somewhere along the line his nephew joins him in China, and eventually falls in Flanders in 1916.

So, the original question has unearthed even more questions that even I imagined it would!
Back to top Go down
Online
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:19 pm

Glad you said that, gives me something to get me teeth into. By the way, interesting discussion you have started Salute 
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:48 pm

Delighted to hear it Littlehand, and thanks! There's various bits of intelligence spread across 3 forums so far (this one, TMP and Victorian Wars). Feel free to drop me a line direct if anything needs clarification on what we have discovered so far.

Are there any South African based members of the Forum who could investigate the Bulawayo connection (including how his stepson ended up as a farmer there), and the financial irregularities in Aliwal North that, I suspect, prompted his departure to the Far East c 1900?

BTW, where "Up North" are you based? I recently moved "Up North" as well - just outside Sheffield, to be precise.
Back to top Go down
Online
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:02 pm

I was up north, when I first join, now in the midlands. Someone in-doors wanted to be nearer her familey: Rolling Eyes 

You will have to wait for the Cricket to ends before our Coloinal cousins get involved.
Back to top Go down
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:17 pm

This could hold some information on Newman.

http://eprints.ru.ac.za/2343/1/HORN-MA-TR87-18.pdf
Back to top Go down
wentworth



Posts: 4
Points: 4
Join date: 2013-04-30

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:38 pm

Re: Charles Henry Newman-Norris, Rifle Brigade, whether this is the same man or not, but a Charles H.Norris-Newman leaves these shores aboard the S.S. Pembrokeshire on the 16th April 1910 bound for Shanghai. "Confusing is'nt it Dutchy."
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:03 am

So that's young Charles, on his way to meet up with Uncle Chas. in Tientsin. There are no "Norris-Newman"s or "Newman-Norris"s to be found in a quick search of the 1901 and earlier census records, though "Lavinia Newman" (presumably his mother, and more easily found than his father) can be found in Fulham and Southwark.

Do we have any professional researchers/genealogists amongst our number who would be prepared to do a bit of work on this? I think the Elvington local history group is already on the case for me!
Back to top Go down
Online
Keithchr



Posts: 5
Points: 5
Join date: 2013-10-21
Location: Surrey, UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:03 am

Hi - I am an amateur genealogist. I hope to help you in your quest for the truth about Noggs.
Here are copies of his two marriage certificates. One in Streatham, one in Japan
Let me know if you need more information...


Cheers

Keith

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat



Posts: 2112
Points: 2305
Join date: 2009-04-24

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Keith welcome to the forum.. Stick around I'm very sure your skills will be called upon many times, if you have the time. We have a lot of unsolved issues, in the " DId they or Didn't they take part in the Zulu War of 1879"
Back to top Go down
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:57 pm

Chelmsfordthescapegoat wrote:
Keith welcome to the forum.. Stick around I'm very sure your skills will be called upon many times, if you have the time. We have a lot of unsolved issues, in the " DId they or Didn't they take part in the Zulu War of 1879"
agree
Back to top Go down
sjwalker51



Posts: 32
Points: 38
Join date: 2011-01-09
Location: Barnsley UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:38 pm

Keith,

Many thanks for a couple of additional nuggets in our search for the elusive Noggs - real life and my lack of research experience has got in the way of any real progress since my last post although contact with the Danish embassy suggests that he was never awarded the Danneborg medal that he claimed, and I've received a copy of a letter from the Reuters agent in Bulawayo to his boss in South Africa complaining bitterly about what a difficult and obstructive character he is, which all seems to fit the character that is emerging.

I've also been struck by the similarity of his "Who's Who in the Far East" entry to the real-life story of that other famous war correspondent, Archibald Forbes. I suspect that Noggs lifted much of it to embellish his own, rather less illustrious career.

I doubt that we'll ever be lucky enough to track down a living descendant who happens to have an old suitcase full of Noggs' diaries and personal papers but hope springs eternal!
Back to top Go down
Online
Ulundi



Posts: 435
Points: 505
Join date: 2012-05-05

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:14 pm

Back to top Go down
Ulundi



Posts: 435
Points: 505
Join date: 2012-05-05

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:21 pm

Just how accurate was Newman's account of Isandlawan.
Back to top Go down
impi



Posts: 2012
Points: 3280
Join date: 2010-07-02
Age: 34

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:04 pm

As accurate as can be!

LH posted an artical sometime back, can't remember where! But the sights Newman saw at Isandlwana had a dramatic effect on him. Or something like that. Perhaps LH can point you to the document in-question.
Back to top Go down
90th



Posts: 7421
Points: 8155
Join date: 2009-04-07
Age: 58
Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: Charles L W C Norris - Newman   Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:31 am

Ulundi .
I doubt anyone can contradict Newman's writings on the zulu war as he does use his own observations and many from others whom he quotes often in his book . Impi is referring to Newmans poignant description of the battlefield and I think the Fugitives Track , it's in his book ' In Zululand with the british throughout the war of 1879 ' and to me its a must have , many facts and figures etc etc . Newman , it seems was happy to embelish his own personal life , but he hasnt done so about the war . His description of the battlefield during his visit on the 19th May runs from page 181 - 184 .
Cheers 90th .
Back to top Go down
Online
springbok9



Posts: 4137
Points: 4390
Join date: 2009-09-21
Age: 67
Location: Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:00 am

As sjwalker points out, Noggs did use a lot from Forbes, and other correspondents. He dose attribute some reports in his book, and in particular his maps. Reading his book there are commentaries on every aspect of the war, it was physically impossible for him to be at all the locations so yes he used other sources.
His writings are responsible for clearing up a lot of Questions and we would be even more confused with this damned war if we didn't have old Noggs.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
Keithchr



Posts: 5
Points: 5
Join date: 2013-10-21
Location: Surrey, UK

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:08 pm


Here is some more info about Noggs and Ethel, his wife and their divorce proceedings:
The reasons Ethel stipulates for the petition do not show him in the best light, although he as respondent made no reply
to the allegations/accusations. Most interestingly - the petition mentions no living issue from the marriage - although Ethel was " confined of a child"

Norris-Newman Ethel Luke v Norris-Newman Charles Louis Marie William
Petition filed 25th Feb 1907
Decree Nisi granted 30 Apr 1908
Final Decree 9th Nov 1908

Ethel cited "adultery and cruelty" as the reasons for the application for divorce. Costs of £58 18s 9d awarded against Charles.
At the time of this petition Ethel was residing in Anerley SE London and Charles in Tientsin, China
where "he was the editor of a newspaper"

The application and sworn affidavits stated:
"The said Charles L MW Norris-Newman has treated the petitioner with great cruelty and neglect & has used abusive and threatening language
and has frequently assaulted her"

"That in or about the months of June & July 1900, the said Charles LMW Norris-Newman committed adultery with some woman unknown and thereby contracted a venereal disease
and that in or about the month of August 1900 recklessly and cruelly infected the petitioner with the said disease"

"That in or about the months of August and September 1900 at No. 66 "B" Bluff, Yokohama the said Charles LMW Norris-Newman frequently struck the petitioner and as a consequence
she was prematurely confined of a child on 13 September 1900". This child (a boy named Charles Roland L Norris-Newman) was born prematurely and died shortly after.

"That on an occasion in the month of February 1901 the said Charles LMW Norris-Newman struck the petitioner a violent blow with his fist knocking her to the ground"

I could go on - but you get the gist!... Charles committed adultery on 6th May 1901 with a woman in a brothel in Yokohama and at the time of the petition he was "residing in Tientsin
with a woman who passes as his wife"...

Ethel remarried in Croydon in 1908... Noggs has no direct descendants (at least from his 1st two marriages - he married for a 3rd time in Tientsin in 1909 and had one daughter)- although he had several cousins who may have descendants around today. His death was registered in 1921 (not 1920) with the British Consul in Tientsin. His age given as 61 years - although he was actually about 68.

In the light of the above it is interesting to note the first line of Charles' book In Zululand With The British - in which he states "They say that self praise is no recommendation"...


Last edited by Keithchr on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:41 pm; edited 8 times in total
Back to top Go down
littlehand



Posts: 6271
Points: 9877
Join date: 2009-04-24
Age: 46
Location: Up North

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:51 pm

"The Standard was the only newspaper to employ a professional journalist to cover the start of the war, although the choice of a locally based journalist, Norris-Newman, was hardly inspired. In January 1879 he assured readers that Zululand lacked natural obstacles, that the people of Zululand at large were content with the terms demanded by the British, that the British military build-up ‘had a repressive and deterrent effect upon the native mind and temper’ and that ‘every incident of the campaign will serve to establish the influence of British rule as a dominant and irresistible fact’. Events were to demonstrate that each of these prognostications by the local expert was wildly ill-informed. Newman’s overall conclusion was that there was ‘no reason to entertain the slightest uneasiness as to the capability of the force assembled to carry out the objects in view’.(27) This report was published in London five days after the Zulu victory at Isandlwana and two weeks before the news of that disaster for the British reached London. His reports unfolded with bizarre effect, for, due to the delays in communication, columns of jingoistic optimism, reported after early skirmishes, continued to be printed long after the brief telegraphed report from Chelmsford, announcing news of the annihilation of the British at Isandlwana, had already been published. Forced to choose between throwing away expensive and unique reports from the only newspaperman on the spot or protecting the reputation of their correspondent, the newspaper chose to print the reports and thereby expose Norris-Newman’s lack of judgement. Even when he was given one of the great scoops of history, Newman was so shocked by Isandlwana that his coup in being the only correspondent on the spot resulted in a dull report, in which he was more concerned with bureaucratic lists of the dead than with the course of events, for, as he himself announced, ‘my letter is far less complete than I could have wished but I am so completely unnerved by the scenes I have witnessed that it is with great difficulty I can arrange my thoughts in a coherent train"
Back to top Go down
springbok9



Posts: 4137
Points: 4390
Join date: 2009-09-21
Age: 67
Location: Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"   Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:28 pm

At Helpmakaar afterwards he was made to fend for himself, food shelter etc. I remember he had quite a moan about it as though he felt he should have been treated with a bit of priority.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
 

Charles L W C Norris-Newman "Noggs"

View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 2Go to page : 1, 2  Next

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879) :: -