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PostSubject: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptySat Jul 27, 2013 4:50 pm

Hello, If anyone is interested there is a SAGS to Trumpeter C. CAMPBELL 2703. 17th LANCERS. It is on the-saleroom.com. site   Ashbey's auctioneers of Cape Town. Sale is in a few days time.

                    Good luck
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 8:52 am

As you know I have done a fair amount of research on the 17th Lancers, This medal seems "wrong" in a few areas - it has a 1877-8-9 bar - to my knowledge only 1879 bar issued to the Lancers. There is no trumpeter on the rolls called campbell - and the only cambell was a Private W Campbell.

The medals should be to the 17th DCO lancers.

As always caveat emptor - this could be a rare and unusual medal - but had a check for the service records and couldnt find any - seems to me one to keep away from.
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 11:38 am

Hello SergioD,
Many thanks for that,always willing to listen and learn.

Lionshead:Salute: 
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PostSubject: 17th Lancer's Medal .    17th Lancers medal EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 12:51 pm

Hi Sergio.
Agree 100 % , all the Lancer's medal clasps were 1879 , except one to Farrier Sgt H.Dyer 974 , in the roll it states ; see also Frontier Light Horse , which would account for his 78 - 79 Clasp, although looking in the FLH Roll he's down as an 1879 Clasp ?? , so it's a mystery why he is listed in the Lancer Roll as having an 1878 -79 Clasp . Certainly , there is only one Campbell in the roll , which you have stated.
Cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 2:53 pm

I have been in touch with Ashbeys and pointed out the errors and suggested these are made known at the auction, it will be interesting to see if I get a responce.

Cheers
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PostSubject: 17th Lancer's Medal    17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 7:58 am

Hi Springy .
Indeed ! Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 1:41 pm

The responce from Ashbeys

We contacted a very big medal collector, and he confirmed that the medal is indeed real and the information correct.
We will however, get another opinion.

Thank you for notifying us.

Kind regards

Agnes Kotze

Ashbeys Galleries
43 Church Street
Cape Town
8001

Tel: 021 423 8060
Fax: 021 423 3047
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 2:26 pm

Thanks Springy - an interesting response - I wonder what a big Medal collector is - I have a pretty extensive medal collection - but I dont get many auctioneers asking my opinion:( 

If there was some eveidence of Service this would be an absolutely unique medal and as such value £1500 +- i just dont see it.

Justin at Jager medals might have seen this and know about it. - but I shall pass.


90th I think you will find that the Dyer medal is to the 16th Lancers - these are very scarce only 7 as far as I know to the 16th .

Will be interested to see what the trumpeter sells for.

Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 3:11 pm

Sergio
I think when they describe him as a B IG medal collector they mean someone over 6'6".
Ive replied to the lady, politly, and sent her a link to this conversation.
They are now in a difficult situation because they have been informed that there is a potential 'mistake' with the medal. If they knowingly sell it and it is dodgy they will contravene the the South African Consumer Protection Act. And thats a pretty powerful act to butt heads against.
We shall see.

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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 6:26 pm

Any ideas who the BIG MEDAL collector is?
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Hello Everyone,
Thanks for highlighting all this, i am still learning at this game. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Regards, Lionshead
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 6:42 pm

http://www.ashbeysgalleries.co.za/component/sobi2/?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=204&sobi2Id=5036
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyTue Jul 30, 2013 11:16 pm

Look at Taskers post Subject: Re: 17th Lancers Medals Known To Exist   Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:14 pm

http://www.1879zuluwar.com/t6103-17th-lancers-medals-known-to-exist
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PostSubject: 17th Lancer's Medal    17th Lancers medal EmptyWed Jul 31, 2013 12:22 am

John .
Thanks for steering us to Tasker's post , much appreciated .
Sergio .
Maybe I should get Glasses Shocked  , Dyer is listed on the Roll under the 16th Lancers along with 5 others Salute 
I'd really like to know who the '' Big Medal '' dealer is , it wasnt me !!! Hhahahahhahahaha.
Springy .
Are you over 6' 6'' ?? Joker  Joker Joker . I didnt know you collected medals ? LOL.
cheers 90th Rolling Eyes 
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PostSubject: Re: 17th Lancers medal   17th Lancers medal EmptyWed Jul 31, 2013 8:04 am

90th
That description is nearly perfect with two small amendments. Im not 6'6" and I dont collect medals. Otherwise all good.

Salute 
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