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Possibly one of the most poignant photographs I have in my collection.

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Taken by an unknown photographer accompanying Wolseley's force at Ulundi, 1st September 1879.

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Fully agree. John have you managed to put any names to the Zulus?

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Springbok,

No names on the photograph, but if that line matches up with an engraving that appears in The Graphic then you are looking at Mnyamana, Ntshingwayo being amongst the group.

I showed this photograph to H.R.H. Prince M. G. Buthelezi and he was quite taken by the fact his forebear Mnyamana could have been in the photograph, as there is no recorded photograph of him.

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Hi John .
Great photo , thanks for posting it . Very Happy 
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I sat next to HRH at a fund raiser, quite a long time ago, he was a magnificent orator, raconteur. I mentioned at one point my interest in the wars. With a very large twinkle in his eyes he said," we won you know, but the British wouldnt let us tell anyone."
Lovely man.

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Very Happy . Springy he was sort of correct , they did win on 3 occassions ! Salute 
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Ahem.............
All to play for next week, we have to beat the kiwis with a bonus point. going to be a fun day, ive got tickets so a couple of the warriors will be flying up for the game. Promises to be good fun.

Ive just completed the last two panoramas, proofs should be here next week if they look good i will start to market the set.

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Could it be another photo taken at the ultimatum tree.
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Impi,

No it from a series of photographs taken in August/September 1879, the focus of the photographs is Wolseley's advance on Ulundi concluding with the surrender on 1st September 1879.

I did have another photograph taken at the surrender; but from another angle. In that photograph some of the topographical features are apparent and is clearly Ulundi.

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JY. is that not heartbreaking.
very moving thank you. it
looks to me that Ntshingwayo
is the blurry central figure.
what a historic image.
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John,a re-incurring thought of mine.
the historic photographs of the AZW
by JY. a book, large, ltd ed, £150.00
ish,i would pre order tomorrow, as i
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