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PostSubject: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:03 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:15 pm

ISUNDULA  says he's Younhusband...It's a question for Mister John YOUNG wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:19 pm

Was this not the image of the week  scratch  I would say Younghusband
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:22 pm

The shako would put it in the 1860's I think. Same style as the French kepi and the Americans in the Civil War. Cannot put a name to him though.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:00 pm

Photos years apart but the same chap!!
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:09 pm

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Captain Reginald Younghusband, by William Watson Race.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:09 pm

Odd that this should come up as JW and I have been discussing it by e-mail since this morning.

Personally, I'm not convinced it is Younghusband. I know Isandula of old, so I'm sure he can provide the evidence.

The shako plate worn in the photograph was first introduced in 1869, however the uniform worn adheres to the 1874 Dress Regulations, so I would narrow the time frame to 1874 to 1878.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:17 pm

I thought the topic was putting a name to a face. not a uniform. Look at the eyes, nose, mouth, Yes he younger, but weren't we all once. faces change. Not sure you can base this on a uniform. Isandula has been providing photo's for ages, he never been wrong yet, that's evidence enough for me, others can make up their own minds. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:31 pm

There appears to be some doubt as to whether this is Captain Younghusband, KIA during the Battle of Isandlwana. Consequently I have posted this topic on the forum. "Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face"
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:33 pm

Littlehand,

Younger in which photograph the Malkin photograph or the MacKinnon & Shadbolt photograph?

In the Malkin photograph the sitter is a Lieutenant, so in my opinion it helps pinpoint a timeframe in this case the photograph would date from after the introduction of the 1874 Dress Regulations until 14th March 1876 when Reginald Younghusband was promoted to Captain.

We can disregard Bill Race's painting which is not without error, and I intend no disrespect to Bill's artwork, when I write that.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:34 pm

Pete. How did this doubt come about. Is that why the image of the week has been replaced!

I was asked to replace the photo on the home page! Until the person could be identified. My opinion, it is Younghusband. 
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:37 pm

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There appears to be some doubt as to whether this is Captain Younghusband, KIA during the Battle of Isandlwana. Consequently I have posted this topic on the forum. "Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face"
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:55 pm

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For comparison there is an image of Younghusband at Secunderabad in 1871 with 2/24th. The Malkin photo was taken at 58 Bold Street Liverpool.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:56 pm

Impi,

I think Pete should answer the question rather than you assume, as I've been stuck at work until this evening.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:14 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:21 am

Kenny,

I've been looking at that one myself, and I can clearly see the likeness to the photograph from Mac' & Shad':

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However, I'm not seeing it in the Malkin photograph.

I've been trying to pin down when Albert Cuyp Malkin actually had his studio at No. 58 Bold Street.  He moved from Holloway in London in 1868 to Liverpool.  From 1868 he appears to have operated from various numbers in Bold Street: No's. 54; 58; 28 & 28A.  The local business directory for 1879, which would have been compiled in 1878 has his studio at No. 58.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:29 am

John this is one of you photos from the JY collection. 

What kind of evidence comes with a photo to show, it's who it says he is? 

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:35 am

Impi,

Impi wrote:
John this is one of you photos from the JY collection.

What kind of evidence comes with a photo to show, it's who it says he is?


In the case of that photograph the inscription of a grieving father who penned the details of his son's date of birth and the place and date of his death on the reverse.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:34 am

Hi all,

It seems to me that the research on the identity of the officer on the photo is really useful for Isundula.
If someone can prove (without anydoubts) that he 's Reginald Youghusband it's will be a nice present for isundula.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:39 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:39 pm

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...KIA at Isandhlwana (Muirhead account)
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:08 pm

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According to Mac & Shad, for Reginald Younghusband, his father was 'the late' Thomas Younghusband when it was published. Is your original assumption correct? When did RY join 1/24th - sometime in May 1876 I think - did he sail from Liverpool? But promoted Captain 24 March 1876. Yes, he came home in 1878 to marry Evelyn Davies. Did he first meet Evelyn in Madeira on the way out to the Cape in 1876?
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:25 pm

Their marriage certificate shows they were married on 7 February 1878 at St Mary's  Marylebone. Evelyn is shown as Evelyn Copeland, widow. Her father Richard Davies was deceased, a wine merchant. Thomas Younghusband, Reginald's father, appears as Esquire, and is not shown as deceased.

Further note. Thomas Younghusband died on 13 June 1879 at Melcombe Regis near Weymouth.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:34 pm

Kenny,

Get the pencil out on The Noble 24th. As Les points out Hart's has Younghusband's promotion dated as 14th March 1876, I can confirm that the same date appears in the Official Army List. I then resorted to The London Gazette and I believe I can see where the error comes from, this from The London Gazette of 2nd May 1876:

London Gazette wrote:
24th Foot, Lieutenant Reginald Younghusband to be Captain,
vice H. R. Farquhar, made Supernumerary on being appointed Adjutant, Royal Brecon Militia,
in succession to an Officer who did not retire under the provisions of the Royal Warrant of 24th March, 1875.
Dated 14th March, 1876.
I'll do some checking on the draft that went out to the Cape under Younghusband, Gon who cannot always be relied on states they arrived in June 1876.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:39 pm

Isandula,

Any hi-res' scans of the buttons or belt buckle available?

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:42 pm

Xhosa. I took the liberty
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:41 pm

thank you that was very kind, i said some
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:44 pm

all, the other page when fully appreciated,
is truly chilling.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:56 pm

The other page? what other page?
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:59 pm

soz impi.my photobucket link,
updated page Harts 1880
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:07 pm

Can only see "Harts army list 1877"
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:31 pm

again impi, soz mate.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:37 pm

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Certainly a few names missing
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:08 am

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Poor lady - Evelyn Davies - widowed twice - married Edward C Copeland of Stoke on Trent at the British Embassy in Madrid on 18 June 1868 - produced a son on 17 April 1869 - then lost her husband then married Reginald Younghusband and then lost him.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:17 am

kenny,like that,good knowledge.
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:38 pm

Just killing time at the airport, and looked at this again.

If we go back Littlehand's side-by-side photographs. In the photograph taken in Liverpool the officer has pale iris (blue?) eyes, yet in the well-known photograph which appears in MacKinnon & Shadbolt Younghusband has dark iris (brown) eyes. Unless he is wearing contacts I don't think they are one & the same person.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:16 pm

hiya JY, who said recently, ' are you a copper '
Suspect . ive looked very carefully at the
side by side, both got a hookish nose, same
heavy lidded eyes,lips the same shape,know
what you mean about the colouration of their
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:21 pm

Notice too the hair is parted in a different place. Although hair may thin over time, as long as some remains, the parting point tends to stay the same. Of course, for some of us none remains, in which case partings are but a distant memory.

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:38 pm

I have attempted to blend the images together, this one being base on the nose structure. This is a first attempt. 

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Possibly not getting anywhere with this. Just trying to line up certain features. Comments appricated.

Ears! 

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:58 pm

Left eye. 

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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:02 pm

yes littlehand, i see a forensic mindset
here, any conclusion?. cheers xhosa
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PostSubject: Re: Mystery Photo? Can you put a name to this face.   Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:08 pm

Last one. Attempted to line up the left eye, nose, nearly the right ear.

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John Young. Do you have an IPad. If yes I will give you the name of the software I'm using. Have a mess around with it and the two photos let me know what you think. Software user friendly. Anyone else wants ago let me know.
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