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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:39 pm

That what I said corroboration on the trail. I'm not doubting that! No need to check accounts.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:45 pm

Well, do as you wish, but as a general rule I always check the original accounts BEFORE I make any potentially earth-shaking comment. I can at least then be sure of not being shot down in flames.
Note that the flight extended to and beyond the river!
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:56 pm

And what was this earth shaking comment, I supposedly made.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:43 pm

Not sure you did?
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:31 pm

I'm not aware you've ever made one.
I was writing hypothetically...if you were to make one, so to speak.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:35 am

Would a revolver back in 1879 have functioned after being in water? Black powder, not sure ammunition technology went a far a water-proofing. Perhaps Neil could help?
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:40 am

Julian Whybra wrote:
Well, do as you wish, but as a general rule I always check the original accounts BEFORE I make any potentially earth-shaking comment.  I can at least then be sure of not being shot down in flames.
Note that the flight extended to and beyond the river!

Perhaps in-directly aimed at me. Regarding the earthing Shaking comment!  Suspect 
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:42 am

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Would a revolver back in 1879 have functioned after being in water? Black powder, not sure  ammunition technology went a far a water-proofing. Perhaps Neil could help?

Good Point LH.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:08 am

LH
A good point, yes, but I recall Sparks, I think, firing his revolver after the river to keep his pursuers away. I'll check his and others' accounts.

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You have an incredible knack of getting the wrong end of the stick.
In your post you asked who else saw Melvill and Coghill in flight.
I gave you a list of who did and suggested you look up their accounts yourself.
You then said there was no need to check accounts.
I then said it was always wise to check written comments before making any pronouncements.
Nothing was 'aimed' at you. I was trying to be helpful.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:59 am

LH
I just checked. It wasn't Sparks; it was Smith-Dorrien who, after swimming the river, kept his pursuers away by using his revolver.
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:07 am

I was just, going to ask which "Sparks" source you quote from?
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PostSubject: Re: Did Coghill Meet Melville, Before Entering The River.   Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:59 am

Mr. Greaves
I checked only the account in Clements, W. H., The Glamour and Tragedy of the Zulu War, (London, 1936), p. 63, not the 1929 one or the anecdote in Holt. I was looking specifically at his story after crossing the river.
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