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PostSubject: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 10:48 pm

Smith-Dorrient we know went on to fight in WW1. Are there any others?
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PostSubject: Captain J.D. Legard   Thu May 29, 2014 10:55 pm

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Captain (in Zulu Campaign) J.D. Legard, "M" Battery, 6th Brig. Royal Artillery--served on staff of Crealock's Division as DAQMG Intelligence Branch [Mac and Shad]; 35 years later General Sir J.D. Legard, age 71 years, was still on active service at the front in the Great War
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 11:03 pm

Thanks John. I see a few of the RD defenders rejoined and done their bit in England. I'm interested in those that served in the action over seas. Or even KIA ?
Somewhere on the forum, there is a post that states an old man was taken out of the trenches just as they were about to go over the top, it was discovered he was a Zulu War veterant!
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 11:11 pm

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Sergeant William Blount KSLI D 1915
Brig General W Scott- Montcrieff, KIA Galipolli 1915
Lt Gen S H Lomax, DOW 1915
Admiral Archibald Berkeley Milne
Sergeant Major Charles Livesay ANZAC fought at Somme
 1184 Private Thomas Buckley, (B Coy RD) Imperial Light Horse RFC/RAF
William Williams (RD) Mule skinner WW1 GSWA


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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 11:15 pm

24th this is the chap in-question!

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"VOLUNTEERS PUT TOWN IN THE RECORD BOOKS
SOWERBY Bridge claimed a record for the country - if not the empire - in having both the youngest and oldest soldiers to have served in the trenches.

Imbued with a sense of patriotic duty, 70-year-old Mr James White of Grange Place and 14-year-old George Smith of Belmont had lied about their ages to recruiting officers in order to get into the Army.

In the case of Mr White, who came under fire as a sapper with the Royal Engineers, his deception was discovered after four months when an Army doctor discovered he was an old man.

Although he pleaded with the authorities to remain, they reminded him of Army regulations and he was discharged with a clean sheet and good record.

George Smith, whose physical fitness and appearance belied his age, was anxious to join up immediately war broke out - even though he had just turned 14.

His parents were unable to dissuade him and in September 1914 the plucky lad joined the 2nd Duke of Wellington’s West Riding Regiment, going to France the following March.

He took part in the ferocious Battle of Hill 60 in which the Dukes were badly hit and subsequently saw heavy fighting in other battles.

After 20 months service under fire, his mother finally claimed him back after convincing officers of her son’s subterfuge"
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 11:40 pm

24th just going off topic abit, here's a remarkable chap. Boerwar veterant!

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PostSubject: How many zulu war veterans went on to fight in WW1    Thu May 29, 2014 11:41 pm

Littlehand , Brig - Gen W. Scott Montcrieff KIA Gallipoli 1915 , should read ''W.S. Moncrieff ''.
Moncrieff was a Lt in the 57th Regt , pity I didnt know which regt he was with at Gallipoli as I may've been able to find his Grave  Mad .
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Thu May 29, 2014 11:46 pm

His grave is in this thread. Posted by 1879graves.

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PostSubject: How many zulu war veterans went on to fight in WW1    Thu May 29, 2014 11:55 pm

Thanks John , Glad we have his Memorial on the Forum .  Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 12:03 am

Hopefully Pete will move his memorial to the Grave section!

90th Did you go to Gallipoli for a reason ie a relative? Or just out of general respect for the austrailians who fell?
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PostSubject: How many zulu war veterans went on to fight in WW1    Fri May 30, 2014 3:58 am

Hi John
The Gallipoli story is very big in Australia and New Zealand obviously due to the numbers who went and died there from Aust and NZ . April 25th , the day of the landings is a public holiday here in Australia , it's known as Anzac Day . It's commemorated out here more than Armistice Day , which , as you are aware is 11th of the 11th . No relation served there but I did have a Great Uncle who died of wounds at Passchendaele in 1917 on the Western Front . So yes , it was out of respect to those chaps who went , and those that never returned .  Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 8:27 am

Do you know where your Gt Uncle is buried ?
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 8:41 am

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Major-General Thomas D'Oyly Snow, Commander of the 4th Division.
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Snow served in the 1st/13th during the Anglo-Zulu War.

His 4th Division arrived in France to be thrown straight into battle at Le Cateau, under Horace Smith-Dorrien, the iSandlwana survivor.

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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 8:48 am

Theres also a number buried at Delvill Wood. Including the eldest son of one of the hospital patients from RD.
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 9:15 am

As the Gallipoli Landings have been mentioned above, 214,000 allied troops were killed, died of disease or were wounded during the Dardanelles campaign.

Included in those figures are 1,600 all ranks of the 2nd Battalion, South Wales Borderers, and 500 from the 4th (Service) Battalion, South Wales Borderers.

The 1st Battalion, Lancashire Fusiliers lost more than half of its battalion's strength on 25th April 1915 - 600 all ranks - but still went on to win six Victoria Crosses before breakfast.

Could history have been different, but the inaptitude of the Zulu War veteran tasked with the pursuit of Goeben and Breslau?

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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 9:20 am

Springbok,

Don't forget that Henry Lukin, himself, served in the Anglo-Zulu War in the N.N.C. and was wounded at the Battle of Ulundi.

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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 9:23 am

Also there is WH Orchard, ex 99th Coastal Column re enlisted in 1915 in the North Staffs, invalided out in 1917 and enlisted in the territorials.
Hes the subject of an article Im presently working on.
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Fri May 30, 2014 10:02 am

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Henry Lukins memorial
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PostSubject: How many zulu war veterans went on to fight in WW1    Fri May 30, 2014 10:46 am

Hi Gary.
Yes , I have photos of his Grave and have all his records which include a couple of Photographs of him as well , which I purchased through the Australian War Museum in Canberra . Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:22 am

"Pipe Major Walter Duncan CAFLSM (1910) served in five wars spanning 65 years. Enlisted in 1875 as a Drummer with the 91st Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders and served in the Zulu War 1879. Next, he served as Pipe Major with the Kimberley Regiment in Bechuanaland 1897 and in the Defence of Kimberley, and then with the S.A. Veteran Regiment in WWI. In WWII he received the S.A. Medal for War Services Medal 1939-45 for recruiting work when about 90 years of age."
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Good post 24th, Service above and beyond.
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PostSubject: Re: How many Zulu war veterants went on to fight in WW1   Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:16 pm

90 years. Not enough treasures in the world to pay that man. His grave needs to be posted on the forum.  So come 1879graves, Rai, LIttlehand get searching.
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