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PostSubject: Alfred Charles Allen   Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:38 pm

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Attested with the 80th (Staffordshire Volunteers) Regiment of Foot:  30 June, 1863
No. 384 Boy: 30 June, 1863 – 31 May, 1864
Appointed Drummer: 1 June, 1864 – 29 July, 1873
Promoted Corporal: 30 July, 1873 – 31 July, 1875
Promoted Sergeant: 1 August, 1875 – 12 August, 1880
Transferred to Hampshire Regiment:  13 August, 1880
Promoted Colour Sergeant: 1 July, 1882 – 31 March, 1894
Discharged: 31 March, 1894

Unfortunately the Allen’s Military History Sheet is missing from his records so one has to consult his Form B.128 to 
see that he served a total of 5 years, 174 days overseas and that he was entitled to the 1877-79 South Africa Medal 
with the clasp “1878-79” as well as the Long Service & Good Conduct Medal. Based upon the 80th’s deployment 
history Allen must have served in Hong Kong/Singapore in 1876 and South Africa from 1877 until around 1880. Three 
companies of the 80th took part in the Malayan Perak Campaign in 1876 and Allen may or may not have taken part in 
that action although if he had he would have been entitled to the 1854 Indian General Service Medal with the clasp 
"Perak". No mention of this is anywhere in his surviving records. There are also questions regarding exactly what action Allen saw while earning the 1877-79 South Africa Medal.

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PostSubject: Alfred Charles Allen   Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:30 am

Littlehand I dont think your man Allen was in the actual zulu war of 1879 , I've gone through the Forsyth Medal Roll and there is a J. Allen 4202 Sgt- Maj , entitled to medal with 1878 Clasp , and C. Allen ( who may be your man ?? ) Sgt 894 , also entitled to the medal and also only the 1878 Clasp . In Robert Hope's detailed book on the 80th Regt he has also listed the Charles Allen , Sgt , 894 , who is quite possibly the C Allen from the Forsyth Roll , as being entitled to the Campaign Medal with the 1878 Clasp . So in other words , he was in Sth Africa but wasnt engaged against the Zulu's in that conflict of 1879 .
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PostSubject: Re: Alfred Charles Allen   Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:52 am

Why was he awarded a South African medal 1878/79
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PostSubject: Alfred Charles Allen   Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:01 am

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He was awarded the Medal as it is the same medal which was awarded for the conflicts of 1877 78 79 , the only difference or distinguishing aspect are the Clasps , which are dated accordingly . Hope that helps .
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PostSubject: Re: Alfred Charles Allen   Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:25 am

Peter can you move this to the " Did they take part section" thanks 90th.
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PostSubject: Alfred Charles Allen    Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:30 am

No Worries Littlehand  Salute 
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PostSubject: Re: Alfred Charles Allen   Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:46 pm

90th I found the original source. Let me know what you think! Click on link below.

http://www.soldiersofthequeen.com/SouthAfrica-ColourSergeantAlfredCharlesAllen80thRegimentofFoot.html

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PostSubject: Alfred Charles Allen    Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:59 am

Littlehand a friend of mine had also told me about that link , as part of Allen's records are missing its difficult to know if he actually crossed over into Zululand to therefore be awarded the Clasp 78-79 , the military record which exists lists his medal with clasp entitlement 78-79 , but in Robert Hope's very detailed book on the 80th Regt history he is only entitled to the 78 clasp , as does the forsyth roll . It may've been a Clerical error which states on the record that Allen is eligible for a 78-79 Clasp , we probably wont know for sure one way or the other ....unfortunately !  Don\'t agree 
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