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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyFri Jul 25, 2014 5:21 pm

Nice one Steve, where did all the buildings come from?  scratch 
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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyFri Jul 25, 2014 6:53 pm

Great stuff mate! i have quit a bit of material from
the illustrated papers of the period, they are getting
more expensive now, even for a single page! Steven
Hopkins used to throw them in for free, if he knew
you and liked the size of your order lol, Les
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I just noticed the broken glass on top of the wall. Ouch!

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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyFri Jul 25, 2014 8:21 pm

Steve the old buildings were converted into Fort Bromhead But that looks very different, not to sure any modern image would compare. I wonder if this isn't the inside of Fort Melvill?

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PostSubject: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post    Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptySat Jul 26, 2014 1:02 am

Hi Steve
As Springy has mentioned no pics of today are any way comparable to those which you posted ....unfortunately  Don\'t agree 
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Hi Steve
That clarifies that the first illustration 'should' be Fort Bromhead. Its very definitely got a touch of artistic license though. Have a look at John Youngs avatar, that's a photo at the same time period.. I think that the building on the right up front would represent the old store house but the balance running of into the distance is very exaggerated, Interesting sketch though.
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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyWed Jul 30, 2014 6:19 pm

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Exactly Les, I didn't imagine the rebuild to be that extensive, must have obliterated much of what was there during the defence.
Here's another from the inside of the new structure.

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Any one know who thought of using broken glass on top of the walls, it wouldn't get past health and safety these days but I do remember it being used on old factory walls.
Any one got a date of when it was first used.?
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PostSubject: Interior of Old RD Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyWed Jul 30, 2014 9:30 pm

Hi Cromwell
The British also broke and spread glass around the ground near their encampments
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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptyWed Jul 30, 2014 9:52 pm

I think you can make a pretty good guess as to when broken glass was first used for defence purposes. It would have been when glass bottles were mass produced and became cheap throw away objects. Before the mid 19th c. glass was heavily taxed and so would have been much too expensive. After that time military camps would be awash with beer bottles for the ranks and wine bottles for the officers!

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Hi Steve '' Hiccup '' correct !  Salute Salute  '' Hiccup '' .
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While in Oz they developed the deadly Tinnie encrusted wall.

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Hi Steve
That's correct , I got my hand caught in it once !  Shocked 
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That clarifies that the first illustration 'should' be Fort Bromhead. Its very definitely got a touch of artistic license though. Have a look at John Youngs avatar, that's a photo at the same time period..

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Thanks John, great blow-up. Just shows the resolution of the old glass plate cameras.

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I imported the original shot and photo into Auto Cad. There is a lot of common ground between the two if the perspective on the sketch is adjusted. So well done the original artist, it works. But coming back to your original comment Steve there really is nothing on the ground at present that would be used as comparison Im afraid.

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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptySun Aug 03, 2014 12:52 pm

Hi Frank

In the sketch there is a long line of stones, on the ground, stretching between two barrels and beyond. Does this coincide with the line of stones in your photographs of the present Museum building?

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Look at Sprinboks photo's
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Hi Steve
No the line of stones presently on the ground is a bit further out, away, form the store. There is a second line of stones as well, it looks to me to be more like the edging of a roadway. Ive been looking through my albums, I do have shots from the same spot looking in the same direction but they really do show very little. I will pop a few on tomorrow for you to have a look at.

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PostSubject: Re: Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post   Interior of old Rorke's Drift Post EmptySun Aug 03, 2014 3:13 pm

Thanks Frank. Has anyone ever excavated the foundations of the slightly later defences? Never know what might have been chucked in.

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"Webley, L. “Archaeological Investigations at the Battlefield of Rorke's Drift, Northern Natal.” Southern African Field Archaeology 2, no. 1 (1993): 24–34; reprinted as “Archaeological Investigations at the Battlefield of Rorke’s Drift.” Journal of the Anglo Zulu War Historical Society 8 (December 2000)"
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Thanks CT

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