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PostSubject: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptyTue Oct 21, 2014 9:09 pm

Having just acquired another group undertaking the course at Hythe, I thought I'd throw it open to the forum to assist in identifying a 24th officer in the group:

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I'm giving an approximate date of 1875, as some of the officers are wearing cap details introduced in the 1874 Dress Reg's, and there is a mixture of Martini-Henrys and Sniders in the group.

Any thoughts?

John Y.
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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptyTue Oct 21, 2014 9:26 pm

John
If you could zoom in on the rifle clearing rods, they do appear to be the approved 1876 (23.6.76) pattern or the 1876 converted 1873 pattern (29.2.76), so I'd opt for 1876-78.
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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptyTue Oct 21, 2014 9:29 pm

Cheers Neil.

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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptyTue Oct 21, 2014 10:01 pm

A guess. Lt. Quentin McKinnon Logan 2/24th, was with Chelmsford on 22nd. Letter home published in Red Soldier. Instructor of Musketry 1880.

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Cracking photo JY.. scratch
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Looks like Marter, bottom row middle-ish.
am searching as i type..
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Just throwing in Glennie?
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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptyFri Oct 24, 2014 10:22 pm

Mister YOUNG,
For you, who is this man?
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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptySat Oct 25, 2014 5:17 pm

Frederic,

My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.

Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.

If you know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.

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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptySun Oct 26, 2014 5:56 pm

John Young wrote:
Frederic,

My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.

Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.

If know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.

Regards,

John Y.

Bonsoir Mister YOUNG,
Thank you for your answer.
I know the photo of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1871(?)-1872 (from memory there is 2 photographies of the same group of officers / Bannister, Younghusband, Pulleine, Penn-Symons, Pope, Erksine, Sugden, Church...).

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John Young wrote:
Frederic,

My gut-feeling is it is Lieutenant Herbert Michael Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.

Williams served as the Instructor of Musketry for the 2nd/24th from 4th May 1876 until 22nd January 1879, promoted to Captain 23rd January 1879.

If know the well-known group photograph of the officers of 2nd/24th taken in India in 1872, Williams is seated at the right of the picture in a chair holding a cane in his left hand.

Regards,

John Y.

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PostSubject: Re: Hythe group circa 1875   Hythe group circa 1875 EmptySun Oct 26, 2014 7:15 pm

Les,

The last two aren't relevant - wrong battalion - 1st/24th.

Impi,

I take it that it is too much to hope for true rhetoric from you?

John Y.

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Yes JY, i'm fully aware of that, and have been for many many
years.. my point was to put them all up together so that people
could see both Battalions together, and see who else they could
spot. can see now i am just muddying the water so to speak, my
apology's, i was going to throw the ' war council ' up as well but
of course i will not bother..i bought 20gb of photobucket image time
today, and i'm afraid it went to my head..
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