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 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.

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PostSubject: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:16 pm

South Africa Medal 1877 - 79

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I recently acquired this medal - what was particularly interesting to me was that subsequent to the Zulu war (but not as a result of ) Dwyer got promoted from the ranks and reached Captain. I suspect this is unique for a Lancer at Ulundi. I have some further research to do on the Hussars part but the bare facts are as follows.

1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.

Verified to medal roll as 1820 Lance Sergeant P. F. Dwyer.


Philip Forgarty Dwyer, born 16/10/1855, commissioned Lieutenant 8th Hussars, Interpreter 19/3/1884, promoted Captain 25/3/1891. He retired from the 3rd Hussars on 18/3/1896.

Captain Dwyer served in the Zulu War in 1879 with the 17th Lancers, and was present in the engagement at Ulundi (Medal and Clasp). As per Army List.

any other information would be helpful and appreciated

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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:21 pm

Philip Fogarty Dwyer was born in Woolwich. In 1901 he is living at Belvedere Rd in Bournemouth, he is 46 years old and a retired army officer. In 1911 he is at Warrior Square Hastings, a retired army officer, late Captain 3rd KO Hussars. He died on 15 February 1925 at 22 Stockleigh rd. St. Leonards-on-Sea leaving effects of £124.12.03. to Bernard Patrick Dwyer, an architect (his brother). Philip's sister (married name Danie McHugo, a widow by 1911) was born in India so it might well be his father was also in the Army (RA because of the Woolwich connection?). His mothers name was Margaret, born in Lincoln, but no trace of his father. Philip does not appear to have married.

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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:09 pm

Just out of interest!

Victorian Officers Busby Metal Tin, 8th Hussars named to P F Dwyer Esq. 8th Hussars.

The regiment was in the famous Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War. Lt. Dwyer, prior to being in the 8th Hussars, was a Troop Sgt Major in the 17th Lancers and participated in the battle of Ulundi in the Zulu war of 1879.

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PostSubject: Sgt PY Dwyer 17th Lcrs   Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:23 pm

P.Y.or P.F ?? . Littlehand if the busby case is to the same Dwyer you have most likely inadvertently ruined Segio's day ! Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:02 pm

I'm thinking the hat tin seller got the initials wrong. Was there two Dwyer's in the 17th Lancers at Ulundi. And who both went on to serve in the 8th Hussars?
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:17 pm

See Sergio's post. Only the medal says P Y. The Roll and everything else correctly says P F.

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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:34 pm

thanks guys.

The 17th Lancers medal roll was very badly written. As you know i track the medals - there are a number of small initial changes.

Yes 90th I did sigh when I say it - but to be fair in 2012 I would never have even have looked at a Hussar tin. The busby tin is definitely his - although I can imagine my wifes face as I tried to tell her what a great purchase it was..

Thanks for the additional information it saves me a bit of time.

I also got with the medal a list of participants at an Ulundi reunion dinner different to the one in Dutton. Will post the details soon.

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PostSubject: Sgt P.Y.Dwyer 17th Lcrs    Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:43 am

Hi Sergio
Now that's something I'd like to see , I dont think I've ever come across a list of participants from the Lcr's at Ulundi , in any way ! . I've seen a photo and Sketches but no list . I dont have Dutton Shocked . Have sent you a pm agree
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:26 pm

So you got that medal Sergio, well done, an interesting and scarce piece. Not that many men from the ranks commissioned at that time, well at least not ones that don't go down the QM or PM route. Interesting he was commissioned as Interpreter, I guess he must have picked up the language in India with the 17th and perhaps the 8th's Interpreter retired or such as I see they were in India at the same time.

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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:50 pm

thanks Justin , but I did have to pay for the priveledge. Definiely not a receipt I will be showing Mrs D!!
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:00 pm

Captain Philip Fogarty Dwyer, K.O.Hussars
Hi Sergio et al,
I found your posts concerning P F Dwyer very interesting because I am a (not so distant) blood relative. My father's side of the family never threw away anything if they had space to keep it, and if my Philip Fogarty Dwyer is your P F (or Y) Dwyer then I can let you have a picture of him in
uniform wearing the medal. It could also be that I have a picture (glass plate type) of him wearing the busby.In return I would appreciate photographs of the items you each hold.
If any of you would like to know more, please get in touch with me directly. My email is:
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:35 pm

I am pretty certain it is the same person. A picture would be great . Ill dig out the medal and send you a photo of it and a copy of the research I have gathered so far.

If you have pictures of him wearing the medal - perhaps with Admins help you could post it on here as well.

Ill be in touch once I have retrieved the medal.
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:06 pm

Hi Sergio
I have come up against a problem uploading the picture. Here's what Admin says:
"Images can indeed be shown in your posts. However, there is no facility at present for uploading images directly to this board." The only way I can put an image up is to post a link to a public site where the picture exists. The problem is that it only exists on my PC.
My email is in my previous post, if you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to send it directly to you.
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PostSubject: Re: 1820 LCE. SGT. P. Y. DWYER, 17th D. C. O. LRS.   Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:57 pm

Photo and text by forum Member ED.

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This is the photo of Philip Fogarty Dwyer wearing the medal. It was taken by Tradelle & Young, 246, Regent Street, London. There is no date given.

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