Dr David Glynne-Fox

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I was reading an old article today (2008) about Dr David Glynne-Fox he is the one they called Dr Zulu.
After a bit of research the only information that I have found on him was on a similar Zulu war site. The article posted a link to an interview that Dr Zulu had with the BBC but the link is down or is no longer available. I was hoping someone on the forum may have another link or at least an idea where I can hear the interview, I have searched the BBC archives but had no luck. Does anyone know if he has given any interviews or has he had anything published recently.

Dr David Glynne-Fox is the first man in the country to get a PhD in the Zulu War. His interest began after seeing 'Zulu', starring Michael Caine, in 1964. Despite his passion for this period of history David has never been to the battlefields, he says, All of my friends, who are enthusiasts, can't believe it either. The trouble is I keep buying artefacts and spending all the money I could use to go to South Africa."

Cheers.

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I guess this may be what you found. There are some posts from Glynne-Fox in which he mentions his PhD.
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Steve

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rusteze wrote:: I guess this may be what you found. There are some posts from Glynne-Fox in which he mentions his PhD.
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Steve

Thanks Steve,

I had read that article, I was wondering if Dr Gylnne-Fox had written anything further as a result of obtaining his PhD, a book or a new area of research perhaps. Is his thesis available to read? In fact, is there anything new being researched or written at the moment. I enjoyed reading TMFH and I have been looking for similar works.

Many thanks.

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I think the only notable research in the last few years has been TMFH and Julian's two volumes of essays. I think he may be working on a third.
PS. I think JY has a book in the offing but no dates for publication.
Steve

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Kenny leave it out! Very last warning!

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Kenny wrote:: Deleted?

I don't think that they just hand out PhD's, it took me two years to get a diploma, a further two years to turn that Diploma into a degree and a further one year to get a Masters and in order just to get that amount of work done, I had to attend one college and two universities plus on the job training. At the end of that little academic spell in my life I never wanted to read another academic piece of work again, so god only knows how much commitment it takes to get through a PhD.
A PhD is basically research training leading to a professional research qualification. In order to get the PhD, you have to provide your thesis written up as a dissertation, the dissertation is then discussed with professional academics. There is no such thing as an easy PhD. I'm sure that Dr Glynne-Fox earned that PhD and I take my hat off to him for completing it.

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There is no such thing as an easy PhD. I'm sure that Dr Glynne-Fox earned that PhD and I take my hat off to him for completing it.

Hear Hear!.

The sheer volume of work required is underpinned by a very serious commitment,
one which cannot be undertaken lightly. richly deserved i'm sure...

The Anglo Zulu War, as an academic subject has probably peaked now, with i should
think only limited ' discoveries ' still to be revealed..iv'e operated on the fringes of
the AZW fraternity for a lot of years and on the whole they are a pretty nice bunch!
i'm talking about people who could be considered prominent in this field, not forum
members in particular.. but some are riven with jealousy, they have supersized egos
and the pettiness to match..i know who they are and steer well clear of them, i can
do without prima donna's with an axe to grind..life's to short and no one has exclusive
rights to the subject which has enthralled successive generations.

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xhosa2000 or anyone else that is able to answer.

A couple of questions if you don't mind, as you and a few other members have been around the 'fringes of the AZW fraternity for a lot of years', can you think of any discovery or a piece of research that changed your outlook on the AZW and Isandlwana in particular. As you are probably aware, I have only been a member for a few years and the most recent thing that altered my way of thinking was TMFH and I'm still undecided on that. Also, what piece of information/research do you think needs to be carried out in order to further your knowledge? do you think that there needs to be more archaeological work carried out?
The thing is we talk about the AZW but we never really discuss what the best methods are for studying it. The obvious answer to some of these questions will no doubt be that you should read as many AZW books that you can get a hold of, but what other resources are there.

One final question, an important one this...Have any of the debates on this forum ever altered your mind, in other words, have you ever been convinced by another member(s) to alter your point of view on any of your long held beliefs about the AZW.

To all, please feel free to answer, I value your input.

Cheers Salute

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:35 pm

waterloo50 wrote:

rusteze wrote:: I guess this may be what you found. There are some posts from Glynne-Fox in which he mentions his PhD.
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Steve

Thanks Steve,

I had read that article, I was wondering if Dr Gylnne-Fox had written anything further as a result of obtaining his PhD, a book or a new area of research perhaps. Is his thesis available to read? In fact, is there anything new being researched or written at the moment. I enjoyed reading TMFH and I have been looking for similar works.

Many thanks.

My book on Rorke's Drift will be released later this year.

Neil

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nthornton1979 wrote:

waterloo50 wrote:

rusteze wrote:: I guess this may be what you found. There are some posts from Glynne-Fox in which he mentions his PhD.
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Steve

Thanks Steve,

I had read that article, I was wondering if Dr Gylnne-Fox had written anything further as a result of obtaining his PhD, a book or a new area of research perhaps. Is his thesis available to read? In fact, is there anything new being researched or written at the moment. I enjoyed reading TMFH and I have been looking for similar works.

Many thanks.

My book on Rorke's Drift will be released later this year.

Neil

That's brilliant news, good on you. I will buy a copy, is there any chance of getting you to sign it please..

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:55 pm

Of course Waterloo, that'll be no problem at all.

Neil

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:12 am

Hi Neil
I'm also looking forward to it as well ! Shocked

Cheers 90th

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Yes Neil, me to, looking forward to your new slant with
fresh information. Salute

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Talk about TMFH, what about TMFP (The missing five posts) I know there were a few negative remarks made earlier but can anyone offer an answer to the questions that I have posted, 'without bickering'. I was honestly interested to know how people studied the AZW, we have some smart people on the forum, I wanted to know how they go about researching the AZW and what type of resources they use, plus I wanted to know if anyone thought that enough archaeological work had been carried out. I won't hold my breath on waiting for a response on the forum question.simple really. Rolling Eyes

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Its really very simple! i answered your post in good faith, those who dont
want me! in particular to speak on any thing come out in the usual fashion
and play their infantile games, and then admin seeks to erase all memory,
as if it never happened..it really is quite sad, you posed some very good
questions.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:27 pm

No answers were given to Waterloo's question. Just the normal stupid remarks.
Admin was to trusting, taking you back, you can't help it with the snide comments.

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Believe it or not Xhosa I like reading your posts and I appreciate your honesty. no worries if you don't feel that you can answer the questions, I thought that I may learn something or at least pick up a couple of good tips on how best to research the AZW. I was also interested in the remark that you made about 'Limited discoveries yet to be revealed' hence my question about archaeology, are we now at a stage in time where we won't see any new pieces of evidence come forward?
I like to think that someone, somewhere has a diary or an old letter tucked away which will shed new light on Isandlwana....here's to hoping.

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Thank you waterloo, and i hope to answer some of your
questions if able.

Littlehand, i dont have a snide bone in my body!, i would
not abuse admins trust. if people dont like my style so be
it.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:43 pm

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xhosa2000 - I echo waterloo's comment; being a new member, I read your posts knowing I can learn from your knowledge on the subjects being discussed..

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:31 pm

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brillo1970, thank you for that, we can all
learn together, i hope to continue posting.

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:22 pm

Hi Waterloo
I firmly believe there are old letters , notes & Diaries etc still laying undiscovered in people's attics or cellars , just waiting to be discovered , hopefully those who stumble across them realise what they have , and don't bin them immediately . I too enjoy Xhosa's posts , he may seem like he doesn't mince his words , which is good , he speaks from the heart re the AZW and matters concerning it . As for Archaeology re the battlefield at Isand /RD , or anywhere for that matter in SA , I doubt it will ever happen again ; those who are running SA I don't think wish, or want to do so , plain and simple , happy to be corrected agree

. Sorry what were your other questions ? .
90th Salute

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Hi 90th

There were a couple of things

You are one of those members that I consider to have plenty of knowledge on the subject, so how did you get to the point where you are now, it wasn't just reading books was it? what resources have you used to build you knowledge base, are you one of those people with a good memory, do you keeps notes like I do, what's your secret?

I was also interested to know whilst being a member of this forum has any debate that you have entered into changed your way of thinking, has any other member managed to change your point of view on any long held beliefs that you may of had on the AZW. I'm asking because I keep finding myself agreeing with one point of view then someone else comes along with a more convincing argument and on it goes. If there was something you held to be historically accurate and you have now got a different view on it, could you say what it was?

I bet you wish you hadn't asked now... Very Happy

Cheers

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Just thought of another question that I have been itching to ask, quite a few people collect old AZW books, books that were written shortly after the AZW, I tend to shy away from old books because of the cost and the fact that they are probably going to be inaccurate, new info, research and all tends to change over time so other than their value as antiques, do these old books help to contribute to our understanding or are they just collectors pieces?

My apologies for bombarding everyone with questions. Its just that I enjoy the research side of things as much as I do reading about the history.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:03 pm

I'm sure Xhosa can steer you in the right direction!

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littlehand,

Maybe your right, I did read that Xhosa has a pretty impressive AZW book collection. Salute

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:16 pm

If you like to research go into "The ones the History books forgot" look for the threads with no replies and see if you can find any information on them. Your be surprised what you find, better still see if you can find there graves /Memorials. Can be done take alook at the grave section.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:17 pm

waterloo50 wrote:: littlehand,

Maybe your right, I did read that Xhosa has a pretty impressive AZW book collection.

See what he comes up with! Very Happy

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90th wrote:: Hi Waterloo
I firmly believe there are old letters , notes & Diaries etc still laying undiscovered in people's attics or cellars , just waiting to be discovered , hopefully those who stumble across them realise what they have , and don't bin them immediately . I too enjoy Xhosa's posts , he may seem like he doesn't mince his words , which is good , he speaks from the heart re the AZW and matters concerning it . As for Archaeology re the battlefield at Isand /RD , or anywhere for that matter in SA , I doubt it will ever happen again ; those who are running SA I don't think wish, or want to do so , plain and simple , happy to be corrected . Sorry what were your other questions ? .
90th

Amafa funded a palaeontologist to do some research in and around Isandlwana a short while ago, he was sent out looking for fossil beds which he found. I would of thought that a team of palaeontologists would have caused as much damage as the archaeologist. The last dig that I know of was with Ian Knight and they made some good discoveries such as the position of the firing line. I bet there is still plenty left there to be discovered.

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littlehand wrote:: If you like to research go into "The ones the History books forgot" look for the threads with no replies and see if you can find any information on them. Your be surprised what you find, better still see if you can find there graves /Memorials. Can be done take alook at the grave section.

Brilliant suggestion, I'm more than happy to have a crack at it.

Cheers.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:45 pm

PS
If you really want to know about research take alook at forum member 1879Graves, possibly the best researcher on the forum.

Here's some of his posts

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Discussing the Battles is interesting, but looking at the men who took part even better and on going.

If you really are interested purchase "Legacy of the Rorkes drift Heroes" by Kris Wheatley.

Did you know a RD Defender won a lottery!
A RD defender stole a steam train to save his family!
10 volumes all worth having.

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I have 8 volumes, all very interesting. The research must have taken ages.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a volume 11?

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:49 pm

Waterloo I've sent you a pm Very Happy

90th .

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:40 am

John wrote:: I have 8 volumes, all very interesting. The research must have taken ages.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a volume 11?

Hi John,

Kris will not be doing any more Legacy books although she has completed research for Volume 11 which I have on disc.

I can speak with her if interested.

Neil

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:55 am

waterloo50 wrote:: Just thought of another question that I have been itching to ask, quite a few people collect old AZW books, books that were written shortly after the AZW, I tend to shy away from old books because of the cost and the fact that they are probably going to be inaccurate, new info, research and all tends to change over time so other than their value as antiques, do these old books help to contribute to our understanding or are they just collectors pieces?

My apologies for bombarding everyone with questions. Its just that I enjoy the research side of things as much as I do reading about the history.

Hi Waterloo,

My own thoughts are that old books are very important. Of course there are some excellent modern books which are very important too, but there is also some dross out there. New theories are fine if backed up with evidence/sources but unfortunately some authors now claim to debunk myths when they are actually the ones creating the myths. We are at a stage where the 'truth' is being portrayed as wrong and then replaced with flawed theories which claim to be the newly discovered 'truth' with no evidence to back it up

There are some excellent authors out there but there are also some who I feel do more harm than good. The trick is to form your own conclusions based on the primary sources.

Neil

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:58 pm

nthornton1979 wrote:

waterloo50 wrote:: Just thought of another question that I have been itching to ask, quite a few people collect old AZW books, books that were written shortly after the AZW, I tend to shy away from old books because of the cost and the fact that they are probably going to be inaccurate, new info, research and all tends to change over time so other than their value as antiques, do these old books help to contribute to our understanding or are they just collectors pieces?

My apologies for bombarding everyone with questions. Its just that I enjoy the research side of things as much as I do reading about the history.

Hi Waterloo,

My own thoughts are that old books are very important. Of course there are some excellent modern books which are very important too, but there is also some dross out there. New theories are fine if backed up with evidence/sources but unfortunately some authors now claim to debunk myths when they are actually the ones creating the myths. We are at a stage where the 'truth' is being portrayed as wrong and then replaced with flawed theories which claim to be the newly discovered 'truth' with no evidence to back it up

There are some excellent authors out there but there are also some who I feel do more harm than good. The trick is to form your own conclusions based on the primary sources.

Neil

I'll go with that Neil.

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nthornton1979 wrote:

waterloo50 wrote:: Just thought of another question that I have been itching to ask, quite a few people collect old AZW books, books that were written shortly after the AZW, I tend to shy away from old books because of the cost and the fact that they are probably going to be inaccurate, new info, research and all tends to change over time so other than their value as antiques, do these old books help to contribute to our understanding or are they just collectors pieces?

My apologies for bombarding everyone with questions. Its just that I enjoy the research side of things as much as I do reading about the history.

Hi Waterloo,

My own thoughts are that old books are very important. Of course there are some excellent modern books which are very important too, but there is also some dross out there. New theories are fine if backed up with evidence/sources but unfortunately some authors now claim to debunk myths when they are actually the ones creating the myths. We are at a stage where the 'truth' is being portrayed as wrong and then replaced with flawed theories which claim to be the newly discovered 'truth' with no evidence to back it up

There are some excellent authors out there but there are also some who I feel do more harm than good. The trick is to form your own conclusions based on the primary sources.

Neil

Hi Neil,

Many thanks for responding, its appreciated. Salute

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Some of the old dust gatherers must be getting pretty rare now, the same probably goes for old maps, I was wondering where people stand as far as copyright goes on these old books and maps. I have seen a number of books that have been re-released as later editions but if for example you owned an old map (a one off) could you publish or reproduce it or would there be a copyright issue. If I could spend £800 on an old book I would at least expect to have full ownership of its contents.

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Hmmm, that's a tricky one, i have a few bits and bobs apart from books,
but as to the law regarding copy write i have not the first clue, sounds a
bit like you might have a commercial idea in mind, in which case you
would need to check it out thoroughly.

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:01 am

All
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Copyright has a lifespan of 100 years ? , not sure exactly what that may entail in regard to Books, Maps & CDV's etc etc scratch

90th

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xhosa2000 wrote:: Hmmm, that's a tricky one, i have a few bits and bobs apart from books,
but as to the law regarding copy write i have not the first clue, sounds a
bit like you might have a commercial idea in mind, in which case you
would need to check it out thoroughly.

Hi Xhosa,

No, I've not got any commercial ideas but I'm surprised others haven't put something together, a book similar to the size of Hill of the Sphinx with maps, old photographs or drawings pulled together from some of these old books would be quite refreshing, a few paragraphs here and there could make an interesting read. The other thing that would be quite good is a collection of some of the old satire that occasionally gets posted on here like the one posted earlier with Chelmsford, a collection of those cartoons would be a nice addition to any collection.

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:20 am

Hi Waterloo
I've actually asked IK to produce a book dealing only with the Colonial's diaries and notes etc , as they are spread through many books , damn hard to find at times , I suggested he gather all of them and put them in one publication , here's hoping he does so ! . Along the lines of the Who's Who in the zulu war , but only the Colonial statements and reports , I'd certainly buy one !
90th Salute

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90th wrote:: Hi Waterloo
I've actually asked IK to produce a book dealing only with the Colonial's diaries and notes etc , as they are spread through many books , damn hard to find at times , I suggested he gather all of them and put them in one publication , here's hoping he does so ! . Along the lines of the Who's Who in the zulu war , but only the Colonial statements and reports , I'd certainly buy one !
90th

Imagine the time you would save if all the diaries and notes were in one book. That type of thing would be a big seller.

Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:32 pm

90th wrote:: All
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Copyright has a lifespan of 100 years ? , not sure exactly what that may entail in regard to Books, Maps & CDV's etc etc
90th

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Subject: Re: Dr David Glynne-Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:46 pm

waterloo50 wrote:

xhosa2000 wrote:: Hmmm, that's a tricky one, i have a few bits and bobs apart from books,
but as to the law regarding copy write i have not the first clue, sounds a
bit like you might have a commercial idea in mind, in which case you
would need to check it out thoroughly.

Hi Xhosa,

No, I've not got any commercial ideas but I'm surprised others haven't put something together, a book similar to the size of Hill of the Sphinx with maps, old photographs or drawings pulled together from some of these old books would be quite refreshing, a few paragraphs here and there could make an interesting read. The other thing that would be quite good is a collection of some of the old satire that occasionally gets posted on here like the one posted earlier with Chelmsford, a collection of those cartoons would be a nice addition to any collection.

Hi Waterloo,

Lock and Quantrill published the Illustrated London News 'under one roof' so to speak. The prices are quite frightening though. I paid considerably less than that. It's worth keeping an eye out on eBay and the like...

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Neil

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nthornton1979 wrote:

waterloo50 wrote:

xhosa2000 wrote:: Hmmm, that's a tricky one, i have a few bits and bobs apart from books,
but as to the law regarding copy write i have not the first clue, sounds a
bit like you might have a commercial idea in mind, in which case you
would need to check it out thoroughly.

Hi Xhosa,

No, I've not got any commercial ideas but I'm surprised others haven't put something together, a book similar to the size of Hill of the Sphinx with maps, old photographs or drawings pulled together from some of these old books would be quite refreshing, a few paragraphs here and there could make an interesting read. The other thing that would be quite good is a collection of some of the old satire that occasionally gets posted on here like the one posted earlier with Chelmsford, a collection of those cartoons would be a nice addition to any collection.

Hi Waterloo,

Lock and Quantrill published the Illustrated London News 'under one roof' so to speak. The prices are quite frightening though. I paid considerably less than that. It's worth keeping an eye out on eBay and the like...

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Neil

Neil / Xhosa, did you look at the price on that link for a new hard cover book? seriously, that can't be right can it?

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:03 pm

I got mine for about $ 40 AUD ( 20 GBP's ! ) from Ike's bookstore in Durban back in 2014 , a bargain I thought even then .
90th You need to study mo

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Waterloo, Gary. hiya both, yeah i looked at the link,
crazy s..t.. But i think part of the reason might be
the perceived rarity of a book, and some of us think
this is the greatest subject ever!. but in reality it is
probably a niche subject..unknown and un-cared by
the other ninety per cent of the planet.

Some of these book's have a very limited print run
and in time you get a feel for the one's that you know
are going to be that bit more ' special '. i then go into
pre order mode, or try to buy as soon as. The next one
for me is out at easter, a Zulu War map orientated
ltd ed, which i have already paid for! but to be brutally
honest! i buy every thing i can on the Zulu War in any
medium. i even buy the non fiction. Splendor and the
Dust, The Tune that they Play and other's. like ive said
before i'm a sad case. no redemption, no time off for
good behavior.

I like the book, cant remember what it cost, i don't keep
receipts ever, they get binned along with the packaging
straight away. its nice to have the red book as well,

Subject: Dr David Glynne - Fox Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:54 pm

Thats true we are in a niche market , I'm still looking for ' The Red Book ' at a reasonable price , so far I've heard nothing .
I keep my receipts , have done since I started buying reference books , but only from the last 12 years or so , they sit nicely in a A-Z Folder ! Very Happy

. Sad Les , I know LOLLLLLL Joker

90th

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