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Isandlwana & Rorke's Drift 22nd January 2019
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PostSubject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana   Wagons at Isandlwana - Page 12 EmptyThu Apr 28, 2016 10:13 am

Barry
Im not to clued up on the ammo side, would there have been any compatibility with the Carbineers weapons and the MH?
Second point to that of course is that the Carbs tent area was within meters of the present Colonial cemetery. The original road ran to the North of the cemetery and the carbineers tents were adjacent to the road so the distance between the colonials/Durnford stand and ammunition was a matter of meters, possible 100 or so.
Small parts of the puzzle start to join up, interestingly we now have a small party, 2 carbineers and a couple of 24th men facing south towards the left horns outflanking warriors, sheltered behind a wall. To the rear of them is Scott with more men facing down the hill towards the dongar, ammunition is at hand, and Durnford is retreating across the face of the camp to join them. QM Pullen was trying to rally troop to protect the West side of those men. Mike Snooks battle synopsis is starting to come to life.
There does also exist then that the fire from that small pocket was forcing the left horn higher up towards Malahbamkosi. Speculation I know.
This area was part of the famous Knight dig, designated as Area 4, that turned up some MH cartridge cases ,2, and a belt buckle.

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Bonjour franck,
Where are the survivors of the Pope's Coy in your scenario?
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Hi Frederic
Truth is nobody knows. However Ive long held the opinion, totally opposite Mike Snook Im afraid, that Popes Company were part of the Colonials/Durnford stand. That's why I believe that Popes burial place is the cairn directly below the colonial cemetery.
MS as you know has them all dead and buried down in the donga, he tends to ignore facts that he doesn't like, such as the lack of cairns and the sighting of Pope on the saddle.

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And then there is the evidence of Bassage...
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Bassage indeed, I question his diary entry..........G Company with very few exceptions.......... There just isn't that quantity of cairns that low down. Aprox 175 men would equal over 25 cairns, they aren't there.
And again the evidence of Pope and Godwen Austin fighting in the area of the saddle. Nope for me Bassage got it wrong in terms of his estimation of the number of bodies at the Mpofane.
And Snook gets it wrong by commenting that Pope had the longest distance to travel to get to the saddle, H company did and a big chunk did get there.
As the very best Victorian novels say.............bah humbug

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Frank,
Totally agree with you about Pope's Coy. Before to read your last post, I had a (little) doubt about your thoughts about Pope's coy with your reference to Snook ("MS battle synopsis is starting to come to life").
Bassage effectively (MR Whybra)
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Just a thought. This find has some mileage in it and needs its own thread.

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Your probably right Steve, maybe in his wisdom Pete will split things up.
Theres a couple of other 'finds' in the offing as well, nothing Earth shattering just bits to tie together other bits.
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I have taken some grabs from GE of the area you mentioned for the wall. Just out of interest I have compared the 2003, 20013 and 20016 shots. Some changes I think, particularly in the vegetation.

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Can you point out the Kraal?
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A touch to the East from yours Steve

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l'm here now , 25 degrees not a cloud in the sky. new old keyboard . all the id.s have come of the keys , this was a time wasting exercise at best , this keyboard is nothing like mine , so you probably wont ear from me .
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Take it easy Gary, can't wait to hear the results..
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Gary,

Let me know when "The Galloping Major" arrives!

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And more to the point if he has recovered.
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