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PostSubject: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 4:47 am

In view of the pending closure of the camp I wonder what the fate of the museum will be?

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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 10:59 am

If the Museum closes I wonder what will happen to the Zulu War artifacts?
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 11:42 am

That's my thoughts LH.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 1:10 pm

There is no reason to assume the museum will close is there?. The Aldershot museum has grown larger, even though the camp surrounding it is now new private housing. Same is true for the Rifles and Gurkha museums at Winchester where the old Georgian barracks are now high end apartments. It could in fact be an opportunity to enhance the museum at Brecon. It could I suppose be incorporated into the military museum at Cardiff Castle which would probably mean much better attendance figures. Brecon is not the easiest place to get to.

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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 1:16 pm

Moved lock stock to Cardiff Castle?..end of an era
and a long association with the people of Brecon.
As steve say's.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 1:20 pm

It could of course go to Warwick Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 1:42 pm

I shall of course do my patriotic duty and offer my study as a home some of the exhibits, VCs etc.
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PostSubject: Brecon Closure    Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 2:28 pm

I'd certainly house some of the items for them , free of charge ! agree agree Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 10:17 pm

But your both foreigners! I'm British so my study should it be! You know it makes sense.
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PostSubject: Brecon Closure    Brecon Closure EmptyTue Nov 08, 2016 10:23 pm

Impi ....Joker Joker Joker Joker Joker Joker .
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But your both foreigners! I'm British so my study should it be! You know it makes sense...from impi.
Hmmm.. four possibilities there Impi.. how close are you to the prize?.. your either English. Welsh,
Scottish, or Irish!. which one of them would take precedence.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyWed Nov 09, 2016 3:52 pm

rusteze wrote:
It could of course go to Warwick Very Happy

Steve


Well said Steve. Salute

Yes, bring it back home to England. agree

You know it makes sense. Very Happy

I would be there to welcome the old 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment back home to England where it rightfully belongs. I would take a very loud speaker and play 'The Warwickshire Lad', no more bloody 'men of Horlicks' for OUR England's Son's. In fact I would up sticks and go and live in Warwick and become the Curator, and I would tell all the vistors the TRUE history of the regiment, not the hoax, from its raising in Kent and its involvement in the AZW that Baker stole from it to make his anti English bias film. I would return the Chillianwallah Colour to its rightful place in St Mary's Church in Warwick, and return the honour and glory to the regiment and make sure that England's son's were never forgotten ever again, the name of the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment would be given back its rightful place in history, at that is guarenteed.  agree

I would make the name of 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment great again, and I hope that the new POTUS Mr Trump makes America great again. Salute


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Bigly!
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 2:12 pm

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I've just spent some time in Brecon, delivering my books, and researching at the Museum this week. No-one was saying anything about the future. I WAS rather sad to find that some of the things I wanted to look at (in terms of docs/photos/sketches) had been stolen. So I think someone has pre-empted the above argument and has begun to stock their own study as a private museum.

I also visited David Jackson in his nursing home en route and am pleased to say that he is in good health and still has a razor sharp mind when it comes to things Zulu. Those of you who asked me to look at things in the museum and to ask FWDJ specific questions, I did, and I'll be answering you individually.

The Museum phoned me five minutes ago to say they've sold out of the volume IIIs I gave them on Wednesday. I'm just about to post a parcel of more to them. (I hope they will still be open!)

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I'm glad someone else noticed 'bigly' bigly, sadly!
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I hope, I will receipt my copy.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 2:51 pm

The last time I was at the museum the musket ball removed from Corporal Lyons' body was nowhere to be seen. I asked where it was and nobody knew.

Myself and the staff have either completely missed it or it has gone amiss.

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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 3:13 pm

Among some other things there were in particular two pencil sketches of Isandhlwana camp (before and after) and a photo that I wanted to see recommended to me by David Jackson - they were found to be missing in 2004 a note said in the file.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 3:42 pm

I know it is easy to criticise, and I don't know all the facts, but surely it isn't difficult to keep track of who has access to documents and artefacts. I have read a few times that the museum does not really know what it has in its archive and that is really not good enough in this day and age. It is one thing if things have been missing since 2004, but if the pilfering is more recent then there should be names in the frame  - or don't they keep a record?

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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 4:25 pm

Same interrogations and doubts. This affair is curious. The documents in a museum are valuable.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 4:27 pm

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I'm not going to criticize because staffing at the museum has in the past been underfunded and I do admire the effort museum staff have made in the past.  Staff are supposed to stay with someone if they are viewing a file or folder - but they are busy and simply can't be there all the time.  I was there all day.  If a visitor is viewing several folders, they can't all be checked page by page, transparency by transparency when returned.  It is also difficult to backtrack a missing document to a particular individual as the 'missing date' only states when it was realized that a document was missing - the criminal might have been any previous viewer.
One answer would be only to let those with genuine bona fide credentials view docs - the interested amateur and those with non-recognized credentials would then be excluded, which would be sad.  That said, some academics I've met who do have genuine bona fides are some of the most untrustworthy cutthroat individuals on the planet.
Another answer would be that no-one gets to view anything - it's all under lock and key.  That sort of defeats the object.
Strip searches on departure perhaps?  Or just invest in some cctv?  Perhaps we could have a whip round for the museum?

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Valuable financially as well as intrinsically. That's the trouble. There are people who will pay well for these items I have no doubt.
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It wasn't me.......................honest !
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Ah yes...I've been meaning to ask you about that new Lamborghini you've just bought....
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 5:24 pm

It is not easy to prevent a determined thief I know, but I do worry that small museums on limited budgets are often not up to the task of safeguarding valuable artefacts.

I am not sure it is too much to ask that documents are checked to be all present and correct after they have been accessed, or that some discreet identifying device is incorporated in the most obviously valuable and rare. It is of course a matter of risk assessment - they would no doubt watch their medals like a hawk!
CCTV is an obvious and cheap measure that is surely in place already.

I am dying to know who these bona fide researcher cutthroats are, I demand that names be named!

Frank, I believe you. But what about that Aussie bloke?

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Its in his genes Steve
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Actually there was no cctv in the small research room.
As for naming names, Allewell for a start apparently. Didn't he just confess under torture?
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 6:47 pm

Well a cutthroat I grant you, but a bona fide researcher?

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...and a genuine one...
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Just heard that the curator thinks the museum will be all right and unaffected by the Barracks' closure.
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptyFri Nov 11, 2016 8:33 pm

" Don't take that man, for it belongs to our ( Battalion ) Regiment!..
it's akin to robbing the dead.. who steal's artefacts for gods sake.
i hope those responsible over the years and sit there fingering their
ill gotten gains receive the karma that's surely in the post for them!.
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Breaks your heart doesn't it?
I've just been watching a programme about wholesale thefts from the US Library of Congress. Turned out to be one of the curators and got caught because he tried to sell them on eBay if you please. Some people have no shame,
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Hi Frank
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy , no Mate , not in my Genes ( Jeans ! ) maybe my Jacket pocket ! . No , I haven't had the pleasure of getting there , although , you were there recently ? .......... Don\'t agree Don\'t agree Don\'t agree Don\'t agree
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Frank, It must be pointed out that the first crooks to arrive in New South Wales were ALL from Great Britain !!! Although we have managed to breed quite a few more since !!! Very Happy Perish the thought that 90th would have a wicked thought in his little head !! Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptySat Nov 12, 2016 11:37 am

I have to confess that an ancestor of mine was an early arrival, and not by choice!

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PostSubject: Brecon Closure    Brecon Closure EmptySat Nov 12, 2016 12:40 pm

Lol Steve Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Brecon Closure   Brecon Closure EmptySat Nov 12, 2016 7:24 pm

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I have to confess that an ancestor of mine was an early arrival, and not by choice!

Steve

Oh dear, a member in the family was in the chain gang and sent to the penal colony was he?

Umm! I wonder if there is anything in the genes scratch

Police officer to suspect, "Have you visited the museum lately Sir" Suspect Shocked Very Happy

"Now come on, own up Sir, Mr Whybra and yourself were trying to throw the blame on a certain Mr Allewell, however, with him being a good Lancastrian (who now lives in SA), you know that Lancastrians are the salt of the Earth, and you were just trying to throw the blame elsewhere, so come on you villian, own up, or do I need to get out the thumb screws". Shocked Shocked Shocked

All good fun Steve, no malice intended. Salute
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