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PostSubject: Zulu 'pickets' at Isandlwana   Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:43 pm

Hi

I have been thinking about the Missing Five Hours thesis and I don't want to stir up an argument about its validity but if we run the 'counter' idea that some Zulus (7000) came out of their valley (around 6am ish), - for whatever pretext, had a look at the British camp and wandered back to the valley (later to be bounced by the NNMC) - they must have known that the had been spotted by the British and that chances are they (the British) would have sent out scouts after them.

Wouldn't you think that the Zulus would have left 'pickets' out and even given the full 'Zulu Dawn' scenario - wouldn't there have been 'lookouts'.

Zulu 'aggressive' scouting in well documented - advance parties of Zulus shielding the army's advance (and possibly killing the odd member of French nobility) - so it is hard to credit that they had no 'defensive' scouting routine and should have spotted the NNMC moving towards their overnight camping area.

I believe that no commander would set up camp in such a proximity to the enemy without some kind of lookouts or advanced warning of any surprise attacks.

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu 'pickets' at Isandlwana   Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:53 pm

Hi Xhosa

I was speaking about the about the Zulus......and to be 'fair' to the British - they did have their pickets out but could possibly have not reacted on what they reported........ Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu 'pickets' at Isandlwana   Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:41 am

Hi Xhosa,

I think my obsession springs from the fact that due to the British losses (and lack if interest in the British, in recording Zulu accounts after the war), we know only sections of Isandlwana.

I have always been interested in the hospital 'fight' of Rorkes Drift - simply because it is so unclear what happened in there.....the rest is rather 'boring' (to me)

On Isandlwana - I believe if the British had driven off the Zulu - you wouldn't have got all the books about it......I am not clever enough (or rather do not have the vision of the terrain) to dissect the Missing Five Hours (for example), and say its not/is possible because of 'X, Y and Z'.......that's why I rejoined this forum to try and get my head around things......hence some strange (and to some 'stoopid') questions

As someone like Frank would probably tell you - I have to be spoon fed the information - else I get confused.....all these donga's, neks, notches and ridges Wink

Most of my 'wargaming' projects and associated historical research revolve around Isandlwana, The Alamo and LBH  - probably all for the same reason.....lack of information.....

I too believe that the Zulu aspect of the battle was cleverer than the embarrassed British (at the time) would have us believe and it suited them to go with the accidental discovery, a demented Engineer Officer and even pedantic screwdriver less QMs......

I also believe that the 'answer' is out there - somewhere between IK, Ron Lock & Pete Quantrill, Julian, John Young & even Mike Snook (plus many many of the lesser 'unheralded' historians - many on this forum).

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