WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Zulu Film. Chard: The army doesn’t like more than one disaster in a day.Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast.
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» 2nd Corpl W.COCKELL, A.S.Corps Medal
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyYesterday at 3:24 pm by 1879graves

» 2nd Lt David Dickson. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders 
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyThu Aug 15, 2019 10:34 pm by John

» Royal Engineers at Isandhlwana
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyWed Aug 14, 2019 10:37 pm by rusteze

» Lieutenant Edward Fenwick Brackenbury, Royal Artillery
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyTue Aug 13, 2019 9:24 pm by John Young

» Photo of 6th Dragoons Mess Tent, Eshowe -- help identifying?
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyTue Aug 13, 2019 1:28 am by 90th

» The Natal Carbineers pass into History
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyMon Aug 12, 2019 3:58 pm by Frank Allewell

» Private James Chick
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun Aug 11, 2019 2:25 pm by John Young

» Rorkes Drift Battle Relics
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySat Aug 10, 2019 4:17 pm by SRB1965

» Medals to the Natal Mounted Police
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyWed Aug 07, 2019 3:01 pm by Victorian Dad

» Zulu Statements
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun Aug 04, 2019 12:54 pm by ADMIN

» Adding to the Library
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySat Aug 03, 2019 2:17 pm by rusteze

» Victorian Technology
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySat Aug 03, 2019 6:36 am by Richie

» Map wanted
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyThu Aug 01, 2019 12:32 pm by John Young

» 140th Celebrations
Gatling gun ammo question EmptyTue Jul 30, 2019 10:36 am by John Young

» Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd
Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun Jul 28, 2019 5:00 pm by Frank Allewell

Brev. Lt-Col. R.H. Buller, VC, Staff: 2/60th KRRC-Zungwini,Hlobane, Khambula, Ulundi
Gatling gun ammo question BullerBrev.[Mac and Shad] (Isandula Collection)
Anglo-Zulu war: Walking the battlefield of Kambula
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
littlehand
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
ADMIN
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
1879graves
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
rusteze
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
John
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
impi
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
John Young
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
SRB1965
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
cattailrun
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
1879graves
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
rusteze
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
90th
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Blackdog67
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Dunmore
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Kenny
Gatling gun ammo question Bar_leftGatling gun ammo question BarGatling gun ammo question Bar_right 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.1
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 3
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share
 

 Gatling gun ammo question

Go down 
AuthorMessage
SRB1965

SRB1965

Posts : 702
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 54
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 9:45 am

Hi,

The Gatlings used by the British army in Zululand used the hopper instead of the magazine (used in the ACW) - does anyone know how many round these hoopers held and how many hoppers a gun had ready prepared?

I assume that the crew would have reloaded hoopers, between engagements

Also the gun (in the AZW) had ten barrels - if the handled was cranked 360 degrees, did it make one rotation of the 10 barrels (if that makes sense)?

Cheers

Sime
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young

Posts : 1905
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 63
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 12:07 pm

Sime,

The .45 Broadwell Magazine had sixteen columns each containing fifteen cartridges.

10th Battery, 7th Brigade, Royal Artillery’s Gatling Guns had two boxes on the gun’s axle-tree each of which held a loaded spare magazine.

As to reloading, yes the magazines were replenished by the gun crew.  Famously at Ulundi Gunner W. Moorhead despite being seriously wounded continued to reload the ammunition.  For his actions he received the D.C.M.

According to Donald Featherstone in Weapons & Equipment of the Victorian Soldier one complete revolution of the crank would indeed fire all ten barrels.

JY
Back to top Go down
SRB1965

SRB1965

Posts : 702
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 54
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 12:15 pm

Thanks John,

So 240 rounds in each - in ideal conditions (200 rpm) just over a minute - OK I realise this is theoretical

Final question - I assume the magazine rotated (at least the internal bits) during firing - was this cyclic (with each crank of the handle) or did it only rotate when each column was empty?

Cheers

Sime
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young

Posts : 1905
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 63
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 12:39 pm

Sime,

There’s a decent little Osprey book on The Gatling Gun, sadly I not at home at present otherwise I’d reach for it and give you an answer.

Back there tonight if it can wait.

JY
Back to top Go down
SRB1965

SRB1965

Posts : 702
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 54
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 1:26 pm

Yeah, there's no rush John, its just something I was thinking about last night.

thanks

Sime
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young

Posts : 1905
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 63
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Steady on haven’t you been warned about doing that!!!

JY
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 3:00 pm

Hi Sime
The Broadwell drum (invented by L.M. Broadwell, a gatling employee in the U.S.A. and patented in 1872) had a base plate which had a hole in the centre which fitted the up right pin of the hopper  plate on the gun.
The gun was operated by turning the crank handle in a clockwise direction which caused the main shaft, barrels, cartridge carrier and breech bolt cylinder to revolve in clockwise in unison.
The first forward motion of the bolt at the 2 o'clock position pushed a cartridge from the carrier through into its particular barrel. At 5 o'clock the bolt was fully forward and fired the cartridge. Continuing to revolve the bolt moved backwards extracting the fired cartridge case, by 9 o'clock the bolt was fully back. At 12 o'clock the bolt was in a position to begin the process again.
300 to 400 rounds a minute with 5 cartridges at a time going through the process of firing and 5 in different stages of being extracted.

When a column was empty the drum was turned by the operator who had to watch the indicator flange which descended as the cartridges dropped down through the hopper into the carrier troughs. Turning the drum too soon or too late could equally cause a jam in action.
There is a very interesting book called 'The Gatling Gun' by Paul Wahl and Don Toppel first printed in 1965 you may be able to get a copy on Abe or Amazon. Its a real barrel of laughs.
Kate Very Happy
Back to top Go down
SRB1965

SRB1965

Posts : 702
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 54
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 4:05 pm

Thanks a lot Kate,

Spurred on by your reply I have scoured the internet and there are a number of 'animations' which show the method of firing, as well as a number of 'moustachioed' Americans blazing away, with gusto, on ranges with them.

It seems like an art to fire one (especially in combat) - get too excited turning the handle - it jammed, turn the magazine too early or late - it jammed and finally if gravity let you down it jammed......it never seemed to happen to Clint Eastwood or John Wayne......

Still it looks impressive when the aforementioned Americans get it right

Once again, thank you

Cheers

Sime
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question EmptySun May 27, 2018 4:08 pm

Perhaps we could call it the Bob Marley gun as it was always jammin'
Very Happy
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 9975
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 63
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Gatling Gun Ammo Question    Gatling gun ammo question EmptyMon May 28, 2018 2:42 am

Kate
What can I say .....I'll bet the Gatling ( Marley Gun ) was SMOKING ! Joker Joker Joker Joker and I don't mean HOT !
90th
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




Gatling gun ammo question Empty
PostSubject: Re: Gatling gun ammo question   Gatling gun ammo question Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Gatling gun ammo question
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: