WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Quote: Lieutenant John Chard The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» William Britain's Zulu War dioramas
Yesterday at 4:34 pm by SRB1965

» A photograph of the NNC
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:32 pm by rusteze

» The difference between a Drummer and a Boy in the Band.
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:40 pm by Kenny

» Quartermaster-Sergeant, Thomas Leach was killed in action at Isandhlwana on 22nd January 1879
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:57 am by littlehand

» Was Durnford responsible for sending troops out the camp?
Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:39 pm by 90th

» Suspending new registrations until further notice.
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:06 am by ADMIN

» Studies in the Zulu War 1879 Volume V
Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 am by Julian Whybra

» Another 'what if'!
Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:33 pm by rusteze

» Rorke's Drift Diorama - 1:72 Scale
Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:19 pm by ArendH

» Ralph B Leslie, Civil Surgeon Doctor
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:58 pm by 1879graves

» Lieut-Col Ambrose Humphrys Bircham
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:43 am by 90th

» A Tale Of The Last Zulu Campaign
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:48 pm by Paymaster 24th Foot

» Francis Freeman White Paymaster & Major 2/24th
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:21 pm by Paymaster 24th Foot

» Lieutenant AP Hillier
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:58 am by Rory Reynolds

» 1:72 Diorama of Ulundi
Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:13 pm by Jager1

Captain David Moriarity, 80th, KIA Ntombe
This photograph taken when he was in the 7th Regiment prior to his transfer to the 80th. [Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
The Battle of Isandlwana: One of The Worst Defeats of The British Empire - Military History
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
Frank Allewell
 
ADMIN
 
rusteze
 
1879graves
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
John
 
Mr M. Cooper
 
impi
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
rusteze
 
John Young
 
Frank Allewell
 
SRB1965
 
90th
 
ymob
 
Julian Whybra
 
aussie inkosi
 
1879graves
 
ArendH
 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share | 
 

 Structures near the Manzimyama Stream

Go down 
AuthorMessage
rusteze

avatar

Posts : 2770
Join date : 2010-06-02

PostSubject: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:49 am

Some very interesting photos of the Manzimyama Stream area from Frank. The first is a remarkable (and early) photo of an impi making its way along the Manzimyama stream that I have not seen before. Frank has taken a recent comparison shot which I have put alongside. The third picture is what looks like a demolished cairn on the west bank of the stream.I will leave Frank to comment further.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Steve Reinstadtler
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 7039
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 71
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:39 am

On Boasts sketch he does indicate a number of cairns on the western side of the Manzimyama. In the early photo theres at least 6 fairly large cairns which would indicate around 30 to40 bodies. Would this in fact be the last stand? Or would it be all the exhausted fugitives being put to the sword. I have located some scattered piles of rocks in the aprox position, they could of course be anything but as per the one in the picture they do seem to have a structure about what is left.
Again of interest is the amount of bush covering the battlefield.
Cheers
Back to top Go down
SRB1965

avatar

Posts : 621
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 53
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:44 am

Hi Steve/Frank

Any ideas of the date of the 'impi' photo and what the warriors were up to?

Could it possibly be a still from the 'Symbol of Sacrifice' - movie?

ta

Simon
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 7039
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 71
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:50 am

Sime
I don't know, the file I found them in has a number of old photos, including a shot of a cannon being towed along the old dirt road to iSandlwana from RD. At a guess looking at the collection I would put it around the Bambatha rebellion time, but that's such a guess. Hopefully JY can shed some light. Im happy to post the rest if it will help to date them.
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1761
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 62
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:32 pm

Sime,

I would doubt it was from Symbol of Sacrifice as - to my knowledge - the iSandlwana scenes were filmed in the Transvaal.  For some reason the Prince Imperial scenes were filmed in KZN.

Looking at the photograph enlarged there appear to be quite a few Europeans amongst the Zulu.

I think it is one of Gugu’s early rehearsals for next year.  Joker

JY
Back to top Go down
SRB1965

avatar

Posts : 621
Join date : 2017-05-13
Age : 53
Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:38 pm

For my shame - I have the film on DVD but I have never been able to get my wife & kids off the TV, long enough for me to watch it yet......
Back to top Go down
rusteze

avatar

Posts : 2770
Join date : 2010-06-02

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Two more early photos from Frank. The film speed was sufficient to capture the moving gun team so I guess the photos must be 1900 or later.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Steve Reinstadtler
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 7039
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 71
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:49 pm

John if I may be so presumptious to post one of your photos from a similar angle?
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1761
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 62
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Frank,

Post away old chap.

Looking at the gun crew I would hazard a guess at the Natal Field Artillery, circa the 1906 Rebellion.

I can’t make out if that is a gun-shield or limber playing tricks on my eyes. If it is gun-shield we could looking the Great War period.

JY
Back to top Go down
rusteze

avatar

Posts : 2770
Join date : 2010-06-02

PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:49 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
John Young Collection
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Structures near the Manzimyama Stream   

Back to top Go down
 
Structures near the Manzimyama Stream
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: