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Hi John,

I honestly don't know......I thought I knew but if I know I'm sure you would have known, so therefore I have the inkling that it isn't who I thought it was.....

But to be honest I always had concerns that it wasn't him.....the face didn't fit.....but with my notorious eyesight......

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Bonjour,
Physically, he looks like to a member of the Mpande family.
The photograph was taken in the studio of a photograph: John, do you know when and where the photograph was taken?

in the past Steve had also suggested a doubt about a photograph supposed to represent Cetewayo.
John you had to inquire about this from the Royal family....
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...and who was the author of the photograph (If he was Bassano for example, that's help!).
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Frederic,

Delve into those newspapers again, and hunt for the Île de Sainte-Hélène maison de Napoléon...

No it is not a Bassano.  It is an exterior shot, rather than one taken in a studio, the backdrop resembles a sailcloth.

You could be up to your neck in clues.  I could even tell you to stick at it.

I have indeed discussed the photograph with senior members of the Zulu Royal House, and a very senior member - who appeared in that film - endorsed my conclusion.

Some very august organisations have been duped, and that’s all I’m saying for now.

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John,
Intriguing ("Some very august organisations have been duped")...
I mistakenly assumed that the sailcloth was meant to hide a European decor from a studio (or a boat)while the warrior is dressed "in native" (see no offense).
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There is a link between Zulu gravures dated 1892 (Jamestown ) and the Ile of Saint Helène...
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It's either Dinizulu or Nabuku.
I think it's Nabuku.
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Indeed there is. For therein is the answer to the question.

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John,
Thank you very much for the information.
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Frederic,

Become a Belgian for a moment in time and work those little grey cells, which of the two holds the same stick in the engraving that appears in the photograph?

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John,
It seems to me that it's Dinizulu.
The stick in the Nabuko's hand has not a "round handle".
"L'Illustration", 13 Août 1892.
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Frederic,

The engraving is based on another photograph that was taken at the same time of Prince Ndabuko kaMpande, the younger full brother of King Cetshwayo kaMpande.

The necklace is clearly evident in Who’s Who in the Zulu War 1879 - Volume II, photograph No. 40.

Prince Ndabuko fought at the Battle of iSandlwana, serving in the uMbonambi ibutho.

The photograph I posted appears in reverse in Rope of Sand photograph No. 72, which correctly identifies the sitter as Prince Ndabuko.

Now the simple task of correcting all of those misidentifications on the web! To arms!

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John,
Thank you for the sources given.
Not only on the web! (I.E: I am unforgivable I have a copy of the two books quoted)...
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John start with the Zuluculture site itself that has it as Cetswayo
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Frank,

Which site is that?

I allowed Frederic to become French again in his guise of Maigret, and I as Clouseau we combined forces to discover this magnificent photograph in the Wellcome Collection. It is this image that was reproduced as an engraving in 1892.

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King Dinuzulu kaCetshwayo & Prince Ndabuko kaMpande.
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To be honest, Maigret was distraught on this accursed island of St. Helena (Poor Napoléon!), it is Clouseau who made all the work and who discovered this photograph that I had never seen before...
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Frank,

Broadside fired...

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Just below the gunnels hopefully
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A pity it wasn’t another site with a similar name...
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Slow down Clouseau you going get our Aussie mate all worked up in a sweat.
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I wondered why he keeps going to KZN... scratch
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