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PostSubject: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyMon Oct 21, 2019 3:52 pm

In Snook's HCMDB and Lock/Quantrill's Zulu Victory, they both mention Lieutenant Pat Daly waving to a European Officer of the NNC who was riding by for safety.

Has anyone found the primary source this was taken from? I've had no luck so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyMon Oct 21, 2019 4:58 pm

Mike
There is no definitive witness.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyFri Nov 08, 2019 1:43 pm

Finally sound the source. It's a letter by James Sivewright to Mrs. Merriman, published in The Merriman Correspondence. It's listed in Hill of the Sphinx. I'll try to track this volume down.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyFri Nov 08, 2019 1:52 pm

Have a look at the Western Slopes thread, May 12th.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptySat Nov 09, 2019 3:33 pm

Much obliged sir, not surprised it's been discovered by the sharp minds on here!
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 12, 2019 8:25 pm

Finally got the source today...

In a letter to Mrs. Merriman, dated 26 Jan from Pietermaritzburg, J. Sivewright writes... "Pat Daly was seen waving his hand, and shouted to some of them as they rode off, then turned and stuck firmly to his post with the last of his men..."

No clue as to who the "them" mentioned could be, but it seems reasonable to conclude it would have been a survivor who a) knew Daly and b) arrived at Pietermaritzburg shortly after the disaster. Sivewright does include a somewhat accurate anecdote regarding Melvill and Coghill, and one about Col. Glyn finding the body of "little Noddy" unmutilated. Or perhaps merely a wild rumor, albeit a very specific one.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 11:22 pm

Is this the same chap?

"Lieutenant James Patrick Daly (Irish) – His body was found among about 60 British dead who made a “last stand” near the Banks of the Manzimnyana stream behind Isandlwana. His body was recovered by his brother, who also served in Zululand at the time and taken back to the UK – One of only a few British dead from the battle who were not buried where they fell. He was 23 at the time of his death."

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Source:the heritage portal anglo-zulu-war-1879-some-personalities-photographed
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 11:25 pm

Hi Littlehand, I think the writer of the above is confused with his fellow subaltern, Lt Anstey, also of F Coy 1-24th who some sources have at the Manzimnyama. Anstey's remains were recovered by his brother and repatriated to England.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 19, 2019 12:02 am

The photo does appear to be Daly though!
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 19, 2019 12:06 am

Here's the link scroll down to our man. There is more information, that might tie it together.

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 19, 2019 7:44 am

Littlehand,

There are a number of inaccuracies in the article, the information regarding Daly is just one of them.  I have discussed some of them with the author but they remain uncorrected.

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 19, 2019 10:47 am

The photo is of Daly it is in the Royal Collection Windor
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant Daly Wave   Lieutenant Daly Wave EmptyTue Nov 19, 2019 7:47 pm

John Young wrote:
Littlehand,

There are a number of inaccuracies in the article, the information regarding Daly is just one of them.  I have discussed some of them with the author but they remain uncorrected.

JY

Thanks John.
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