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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyMon Dec 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Hi all
Has anyone ever heard of or own a copy of this and if so is it any good:-

Isandlwana to Ulundi: The Anglo-Zulu War of 1879 by Chris Schoeman ISBN 9781445699301. Amberley Publishing 15th Dec.2021

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353727090888?epid=18049966515&hash=item525bc710c8:g:7a8AAOSwJrhhdJbJ

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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book    New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 21, 2021 12:25 pm

Hi Kate
Yes I've been aware of it for a few months now , I've heard the Author is a decent researcher so I'll be getting a copy , think it may've been released last week ? , if not.... I'd read earlier this year it was supposed to be released sometime this month . Just read on-line from a bookshop that the release date is now March 15th 2022 ! .  Suspect  Suspect  Suspect . WTF ! , just read from an Aussie on-line book retailer it was released Dec 15 !! , who knows what to believe , except that I'll be getting it ! ..... just don't know when ! Joker Joker
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 21, 2021 12:58 pm

Smoko,

He might be a decent researcher on matters rugby union, I have only had a quick scan of the book, and in my opinion it appears to be disappointing. I have spotted some major errors but that’s just me. I will let you draw your own conclusions, but don’t expect any startling revelations.

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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book    New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 21, 2021 1:13 pm

Thanks JY , Yes I'm not sure we'll ever find any new startling discoveries . Hope you're working on another book ? , you surely won't want to be watching the remainder of the Ashes series , especially if you decided to be a glutton for punishment and watched the second Test !? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Joker Joker
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 21, 2021 1:30 pm

Gary,

Fortunately the Ashes series is being shown on BT Sport which I don’t subscribe to so I am spared the embarrassment.

I am currently working on an officer’s diary which I intend to produce as a book, with introductory notes and illustrated to tell his story. More when I am further down the trail.

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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book    New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 21, 2021 1:37 pm

JY
You're winning on two accounts there ! . Wonder if it's AZW related ? Joker
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 7:59 am

Chris Schoeman raises an interesting point on the Battle of Nyezane, 22nd January 1879.  Where he places Lieutenant Reginald Hart, Royal Engineers, in that action, rather than his brother, Captain Arthur FitzRoy Hart, 31st (Huntingdonshire) Regiment.

Given the fact that Reginald Hart was in Afghanistan and a few short days later on 31st January 1879 he would perform an action for which he would be awarded the Victoria Cross.  

As I say an interesting point, or simple confusion?

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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book    New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 12:44 pm

Hi JY
Well that's a worry confusing the Hart Bros , a bad error ! No
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 1:44 pm

Gary,

How about the Cape Mounted Rifles being part of No. 5 Column at the start of the campaign?

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PostSubject: New Zulu War Book    New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 2:02 pm

JY , Well we live and learn , I see Robert Hope lists the CMR in No5 Column as well.
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 5:03 pm

Anything positive to say about it John?
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyWed Dec 22, 2021 6:18 pm

Hi Kate,

Well he does mention this forum... Will that do?

From where I’m at so far there is simply nothing that we don’t know.

Certainly lacking in photographs, and those that are there are not correctly acknowledged.

I feel if you removed some of the flowery padding it would be a slim volume.

But these are obviously my own opinions.

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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyMon Dec 27, 2021 3:14 pm

gardner1879 wrote:
Anything positive to say about it John?
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By the sounds of it, there is nothing positive to say. Another author riding on the backs of those before them. But falling off. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 28, 2021 12:54 pm

CTSG
I've been able to look at a copy of this but do not own one (and shan't be buying it). Like John, I noticed first a number of elementary mistakes and secondly, the fact that the author had no new comment to make on any aspect of the battle despite the recent discoveries of the last few years.
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyTue Dec 28, 2021 1:23 pm

As I said riding on the backs of other authors. Can see no point in buying something that contains the same information, and most certainly not if it contains errors.
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PostSubject: Re: New Zulu War Book   New Zulu War Book EmptyMon Jan 10, 2022 4:22 pm

CTSG
You might be interested to know that there's actually a term for what you're describing: anaphoric historiography such that it allows future generations of researchers to feed off the (incorrect) secondary-source based writings of this generation and perpetuate its errors.  Might be useful for the next pub quiz!
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