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PostSubject: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 8:34 am

27th Inniskillins ....Isandlwana survivor??
Found him, he was in the 24th at the time

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Belfast Telegraph - Thursday 25 August 1938

It gets worse folks

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Northern Whig - Friday 26 August 1938

I take it all back he was in SA though not at iSandlwana
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Belfast News-Letter - Tuesday 30 August 1938
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 9:06 am

What a load of rubbish!

25B/2774 Pte Chales McShane arrived in South Africa with a draft from 67th Brigade Depot, from Birr Co Offaly on 21 July 1879. Later served with 2/24th in Gibraltar.

Worth a free pint of beer! And of course sells newspapers - and on-line researchers (?) happy - gone are the days when you had to visit archives and spend hours searching through hundreds of pages.
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 9:37 am

"...and on-line researchers (?) happy..."

What do you mean by that Kenny?
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 9:48 am

Because it really doesn't require any skill to make these posts - better to take the source and research it yourself before posting. Are you really hoping to find a new Isandlwana survivor or an unknown RD defender? Most of these old newpaper reports were researched soon after their publication.

Yet, all these men who went to South Africa in 1879 suffered great hardships. Particularly when they marched up from PMB to the battlefields. Easy to drive in a car today, do not forget.
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 10:26 am

There still remains archive media material that link events, names etc. That can be used to obtain a complete picture as was the case with David Jenkins RD defender.
Yes there is skill in researching and joining the dotes.
Fully understand the old days of time consuming research and travel. I also agree that you cannot research relying on the internet alone, but it is modern tool that has its uses.

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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 12:06 pm

Crickey Kenny where did that come from???
There was no need for that at all.

Just to give you some background, I started looking through these old newspaper archives in July to help me through a tough time.
Then I thought
"You know what, other people might find these interesting. It might help generate debates on the forum as well as helping other members with their own research or perhaps family members who come to the forum looking for their descendants."
So I started posting these articles up.

1/ I have never claimed it takes any skill though it does take a lot of my own time and I am paying for access to these newspaper archive sites.
2/ I am not claiming to be a researcher when posting these up (though I am one.)
3/ I am not hoping to find anything new (though anything about Alan Gardner would be nice)
4/ If you notice, were possible, I try and give some background info such as service numbers and regiments that I find by trawling through paper medal rolls and then leave it to others to jump in and discuss them if they wish
5/ Regarding the above post I did say he was not there and though such an account is fantasy, it does contain useful background family information which may be of use to someone. Oh and by the way, how do you think I found out his number and which regiment he belonged to, it doesn't mention it in the article?

Quote "Yet, all these men who went to South Africa in 1879 suffered great hardships. Particularly when they marched up from PMB to the battlefields. Easy to drive in a car today, do not forget."
None of us can truly imagine what it was like Kenny because none of us were there.

As I have said I was doing this for the enjoyment of others and to help support the forum.
If people would rather I stopped putting up these posts then please let me know.
I'm not sure why you are having a go at me like this, there is no need for it at all Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment    Private 2774 Charles M'Shane 2/24th Regiment  EmptyThu Sep 01, 2022 12:20 pm

Well said, and don't stop the posts. They are helpful as you say.
Kenny said exactly the same to me this week, asking me why I was doing it and informing me to research before posting newspaper articles. Why??
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