WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn quote: “Excuse me, my Lord, there's something I must convey to you. I rode along the track down to Rorke's Drift. The sky above is red with fire. Your orders my Lord? Do we move to the drift?”
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» John Chard VC R.E. Sword at auction
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyToday at 2:54 pm by Will M

» Prince Imperial
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyMon Nov 30, 2020 5:18 am by barry

» Rorkes Drift Battle Relics
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Nov 28, 2020 10:15 am by sstiles

» Best Zulu War Books
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyWed Nov 25, 2020 12:00 am by 90th

» George Toplis
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Nov 24, 2020 4:46 pm by 1879graves

» 1st Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment, 1875
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Nov 20, 2020 2:17 am by 90th

» Lt Chard and his sighting of Zulu enemy at Isandlwana
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyWed Nov 18, 2020 10:56 am by Frank Allewell

» Rorkes drift Hotel
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyWed Nov 18, 2020 10:46 am by Frank Allewell

» Information on Harry Boik Trooper 141 NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySun Nov 15, 2020 5:39 am by barry

» Lieutenant Chards anxiety-inducing-notes-Battle-Rorkes-Drift
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Nov 14, 2020 11:58 pm by ADMIN

» John Courtenay Chasman CHADWICK - 1st Class Interpreter
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Nov 14, 2020 2:46 pm by RoryReynolds

» S/Sgts Appointments/Ranks
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Nov 10, 2020 10:45 am by John Young

» Punishment - FLOGGING
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyMon Nov 09, 2020 10:04 am by Frank Allewell

» Isandlwana, Last Stands
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySun Nov 08, 2020 1:21 pm by 90th

» HMS Active RMA and Kroomen duties
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyMon Nov 02, 2020 7:55 pm by Herbie

» Henry William Longcast, Interpreter.
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Oct 27, 2020 9:29 am by John Young

» Officers of the 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment circa 1868
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyMon Oct 26, 2020 11:31 pm by John Young

» Famous death?
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Oct 24, 2020 3:38 pm by Frank Allewell

» N/5 Battery RA at Isandlwana
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Oct 24, 2020 10:20 am by SRB1965

» The Pickets on Mkwene
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Oct 23, 2020 11:30 am by Frank Allewell

» Durnford's medical officer
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Oct 23, 2020 9:51 am by Julian Whybra

» Victorian HMS SHAH South Africa Zulu Wars Medal William Morrison Royal Navy
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyThu Oct 22, 2020 5:37 pm by Danny1960

» The 'other' fighting clerk - Corporal JH Mayor, N.N.C
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Oct 17, 2020 5:07 am by Frank Allewell

» Somerset soldiers killed at Isandhlwana
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am by Julian Whybra

» "The Wiltshire Regiment 1756-1914"
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Oct 10, 2020 4:46 am by kaveman

» The Unknown Warrior Westminster Abbey
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyWed Oct 07, 2020 3:06 pm by ADMIN

» Lance Corporal Robert Eaton NMP
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Oct 06, 2020 2:12 pm by Julian Whybra

» Lieutenant Anthony Kingscote, HMS Tenedos
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Oct 02, 2020 3:31 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Sir Robert Gordon Gilmour
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyThu Oct 01, 2020 4:22 pm by 90th

» William De Passey, 17th Lancers.1879.
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyThu Oct 01, 2020 11:27 am by 1879graves

» Lieutenant Frederick Streatfield Pelly, RN
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Sep 29, 2020 4:09 pm by 1879graves

» KEYNSHAMLIGHTHORSE GRAVES WEBSITE
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyTue Sep 29, 2020 8:08 am by ADMIN

» Regimental numbers
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Sep 25, 2020 12:55 pm by Frank Allewell

» Colour of Lord Chelsmford eyes
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyFri Sep 25, 2020 8:05 am by Simonsole

» List of identified bodies at Isandlwana
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptyThu Sep 17, 2020 5:30 am by John Young

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Rorke's Drift BBC Radio 4
Top posters
90th
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
littlehand
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
ADMIN
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
1879graves
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
rusteze
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
John
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Will M
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_leftLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers BarLooking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
taylor henry john horse drift Natal harford spalding william 24th melvill Russell George Durnford smith zulu james Isandlwana Prince gardner payne Franklin Police Woolfryes martini Mounted

 

 Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Dave

Dave

Posts : 1605
Join date : 2009-09-21

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:21 am

Hi. Does anyone have any information relating to the Natal Native Pioneers? Looking for what their roll was during the Zulu War. If possible names of officers connected to this unit.

Dave.
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10157
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:33 am

hi dave .
All I have found at this stage is from the MEDAL ROLL by FORSYTHE
CAPT. G.K.E BEDDOES 79 CLASP , W.J. NOLAN 79 CLASP.
STAFF OFFICER. W. ALLEN 79 CLASP.
LIEUTENANTS , G.F. ANDREWS 79 , F.D. CHASE 78-79 , F.E. FOXON 79 , G.R. GRIMES 79 , H. HANCOCK 79,

? . HICKLEY 79 , T.A. PEEL 79 X , W. SOUTHALL 79 , C.S. STEVENS 79 ,
CLERK. J.A. MICHELL NO CLASP.

13 Medals Issued , 1 Medal and Clasp returned to WOOLWICH MINT . ( Peel ).
hope this helps Dave .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
garywilson1

garywilson1

Posts : 374
Join date : 2009-01-22
Age : 58
Location : Timisoara , Romania

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:37 am

Hi , this is all i have found ,

No 1 company of 80 men accompanied No 3 column - commanded by Capt J Nolan.

No 2 company of 104 men accompanied No 1 column - commanded by Capt J Beddoes .

No 3 company ot 89 men accompanied No 2 column - commanded by Capt W Allen .

Gary.
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10157
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:40 am

hi gary.
That was quick work , well done .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
Dave

Dave

Posts : 1605
Join date : 2009-09-21

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 1:33 pm

Thanks Gary.

Do we know what they did, ie what was their prime duty. Based on the British pioneers, they would be first to advance ensuring the trenches and other aspects of fortifications were ready for the main body of the army to come up.
So I was wondering if the same applied to this unit.

Dave.
Back to top Go down
old historian2

old historian2

Posts : 1096
Join date : 2009-01-14
Location : East London

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 5:33 pm

"The Natal Native Contingent, the Natal Native Horse, and the Natal Native Pioneer Corps? Whilst raised within the colony of Natal they were not raised by the Colonial, but by the imperial, authorities. Thus, whilst certainly not rooted in the traditions of the British Regular Army, neither can they strictly be termed Colonial units. A related problem applies to the Frontier Light Horse, and similarly the uniformed cavalry corps of Natal represents a distinctly different military tradition from that exemplified in irregular mounted corps. Thus, one observes a three-fold division between those units not rooted in the traditions of the Imperial forces; viz., Colonial mounted volunteers, irregular mounted corps, and Native units."

"The following regiments of Colonial mounted volunteers were involved in the campaign - Natal Hussars, Durban Mounted Rifles, Victoria Mounted Rifles, Stanger Mounted Rifles, Natal Light Horse Natal Carabineers, Natal Mounted Police, Newcastle Mounted Rifles, Buffalo Border Guard, Frontier Light Horse, Cape Mounted Riflemen (Colonial), Baker’s Light Horse, Natal Volunteer Guides, Lonsdale’s Mounted Rifles, and the Border Horse. The irregular mounted units were as follows - Schutte’s Corps, Ferreira’s Horse, Kaffrarian Vanguard, Uys’s Commando, Raafs Horse, and Eckersley’s Contingent."
Back to top Go down
John

John

Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 58
Location : UK

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 5:48 pm

"Durnford also recommended the formation of an African pioneer corps. Bulwer however had other opinions, and began to frustrate the designs of Durnford and the General Officer Commanding. Bulwer had been instilled with a sense of distrust of armed, organized bodies of Africans by colonists who still harboured a sense of hatred after the Langalibalele affair. Thesiger had no option but to complain to Frere over Bulwer's lack of co-operation. The raising of two companies of Natal Native Pioneers was eventually permitted with the full knowledge of the Commander-in-Chief of the British Army, the Duke of Cambridge."


Extract taken from. Account written by John Young, Chairman, Anglo-Zulu War Research Society (Brevet Colonel Anthony W. Durnford, Royal Engineers)
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1851
Join date : 2009-03-25

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Just a photo showing the various uniforms worn by the Native Pionneer's

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves

Posts : 3057
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 7:15 pm

Hi Dave
Hope this helps. Its all I could find.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
90th

90th

Posts : 10157
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 7:36 pm

hi 1879graves.
It looks as if the last man you posted Lt Chase may have been involved in blowing up the cave
in the Ntombe area according to his service record that you posted.
cheers 90th
Back to top Go down
Mr Greaves

Mr Greaves

Posts : 748
Join date : 2009-10-18

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Out of Interest.

"It was Captain G K E Beddoes of the Natal Native Pioneers who solved the problem of the moving sun by fixing the mirror on a pivot so it could be easily realigned. The pivot was then placed on top of a barrel and a sighting system of wire directing rods was erected. The Morse flashes were still made by light with a board strapped to the operator’s hand. On 14th March two way communication was opened and remained in operation until Eshowe (Ekowe) was relieved on 3rd April."

G.
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10157
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers EmptySun Jan 17, 2010 4:55 am

hi all.
This from Ian Castle"s book " ZULU WAR - VOLUNTEERS , IRREGULARS AND AUXILIARIES.
NATAL NATIVE CONT ( PIONEERS ) . The Natal Govt regularly called on clan leaders to supply men
to assist in road maintenance and repairs . It was therefore a natural progression to form a part of the
N.N.C as a pioneer section to work on engineering tasks , repairing roads and river crossings and building
earthwork fortifications . In all , 3 comp were formed with a nominal strength of 5 european officers , 4 african
officers and 96 pioneers ( although it seems only no 2 comp attained this target ). The original plan proposed
that Royal Eng Officers would command each co , but there simply wasnt enough available. The Natal Govt
accepted responsibility for the pioneers , recruited officers and supplied equipment. Unlike other NNC units
the pioneers recieved uniforms from the outset, each man was issued a pre - 1872 red serge " frock " of the
british infantry with the facing colour removed , loose fitting knee length white canvas trousers , a blue pillbox
forage cap with yellow band , and an army greatcoat. Each man was allocated either a pickaxe , a shovel , an
axe or crowbar, while firearms confirmed the status of the African NCO"S .Beseiged at ESHOWE from late JAN
until the beginning of April , the pioneers of NO 2 COMP proved themselves excellent scouts , as well as handling
their allotted engineering tasks efficiently.
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty
PostSubject: Re: Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers   Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Looking for Information. Natal Native Pioneers
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: COLONIAL REGIMENTS WHICH SERVED IN THE ZULU WAR OF 1879-
Jump to: